The episodes are too damn short!
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I've read the books and loved them and am thoroughly enjoying the show. I wish the episodes were longer. It's definitely got a somewhat different tone than the books, but I think the changes that have been made are generally fine and help transition the story to the medium of a TV show, rather than books.
The visual distinction of Sanctuary Moon compared to the "real" world of the story is great. Sanctuary Moon has all the tropey sci-fi TV schtick that Murderbot is avoiding as a show. Extremely vibrant colors, overdramatic line delivery, cg sets, it's just great.
I'm enjoying it. Some of the decisions are a little odd. The thing that's most distracting to me is that, in my head, Murderbot appears much more androgynous. That might have been hard to pull off, but Skarsgard is definitely male (even without genitalia). Some of the other characters are goofier than in the books, but I kind of understand the choice.
I hope the show gets people to read the books, but the show is entertaining.
I'm actually a big fan of that decision.
The idea that non-binary people have to visibly appear non-binary is a harmful stereotype. Murderbot's physical appearance is a part of its design that it has no control over. Why should it look androgynous? Just because it perceives itself as genderless, doesn't mean it's creators did.
I hope the show will actually dig into that at some point. I think it's really important for people to see an agender character who still has a strongly masc appearance.
It's an interesting point, and I agree with it politically, but in the books it's made clear secunits look androgynous and non-human.
Some change between media change is always going to happen. I think Skarsgård is doing as good a job as can be done with his face. I'm making peace with it. Maybe the bigger problem is the dismissiveness of the portrayal of Preservation Alliance society. But we did live in the Corporate Rim!
Ugh yeah, it feels like the show is making fun of Preservation, which kinda undermines the show. Contrary to what others seem to think here, in my opinion the added goofiness really detracts a lot from the show.
Agreed. I hope they pull it back. It's clearly where anyone would prefer to live!
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They could of at least removed his hair and put some clear cybernetics. In the books, you couldn't mistake Murderbot for a human. Even after ART's modifications (adding hair etc) Murderbot still could only pass as a heavily cybernetically augmented human.
I do fear the shied away from the gender stuff.
In the books, you couldn’t mistake Murderbot for a human.
In the books, Murderbot repeatedly remarks that it can easily pass for human among humans, but other constructs would spot it immediately.
After ART's modifications. Other secunits would know from it's gate and general movement, etc.
Before ARTs modifications. Reread the first chapter of the second book, its chaulk full of examples of MB passing
The series is the next book on my list, and I flew from them first time. Looking forwards to rereading (I never normally reread). :-)
Oh that's fair, I also flew through all of the books sans the most recent one which I haven't been able to bring myself to finish the last one even on my rereads (murderbot has become my sanctuary moon).
I will say that pre ART modifications people with extensive experience and knowledge of secunits would have likely been able to clock MB as a SecUnit (part of the reason WHY they went through with the modifications given where they were heading)
In my imagination, Murderbot looked kinda like the player character from the game 'Citizen Sleeper', pictured below.
Which is to say, very androgynous and very obviously cybernetic.
There's quite a bit of character similarity between them too, because the titular Sleeper is a human consciousness in a cybernetic body that has a lot of biological parts, and they are kept loyal to the company who owns them by a drug that will cause their body to break down if they stop taking it. Same intent as the governor module, but a different approach.
I found Murderbot's physical appearance an important aspect of the books, not just for surface plot reasons (everyone knows they are a bot etc) but because it's a large part of what people need to overcome from the perspective of seeing past their prejudices.
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I read all the books, and my only complaint about the show is that the episodes are over too soon. I know it's different in some ways from the books, but who cares? It's a great show.
I haven't read the source material, but so far I'm really enjoying it. My only gripe is that the episodes are short, I'd rather 45min episodes.
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I feel like the changes to characters are really large. The feelings I have from each character in the books and the show are not close enough to be the same character. Mensa is so much more emotional and reactive in the show than she was in the books, but I like both. Murderbot is much more human than in the books, there is way less internal monologue, so it feels very different, but I still love the character in both. Same for all the rest.
As for the story changes, so far it seems good in terms of changing just enough to make it fit for TV rather than doing something insanely different with only a passing resemblance to the books. I like how the violence is shocking, sudden, and really limited. In the books it is not the whole story, one gory moment after another, and I was worried they would get sucked into the trap of violence being attention getting and shocking and therefore needed in huge quantity.
The visuals are excellent. From a purely technical perspective they have done a great job with making something easy to look at, enjoyable to experience, and mostly visually consistent. There have been very few moments where the colour balance is skewed weirdly, where the lighting requires adjusting the screen, or where the volume levelling was terrible. Great production quality.
I agree. Subtly different but overall and surprisingly very similar.
PresAux are more hippy like and a little less like the academics in the book which I find just a little annoying but it’s OK (I’m an academic).
One of the things I’m really curious about is how they flesh out the contrast between the capitalist dystopia of the Corporation Rim and the clearly socialist Preservation Aux. I feel like it’s a politically charged topic in the current capitalist dystopia American context (at least that’s how it looks to me from outside America). I keep waiting for them to water it down but they haven’t done it so far. Good on em.
I hope they stick to their guns and keep it fully anticapitalist like the books. Right now is the time for that kind of media, there is a massive appetite for it, so if they fail to do it they are shooting themselves in the foot.
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A lot of people are watching it, but I ducked out after episode two. I read the books and I felt like it was overly broad in comparison.
The TV adaptation rushes through the story, and doesn’t take its characters seriously. The books aren’t really a broad comedy like the show. For example, the books were more respectful of gender and sexuality. It wasn’t played for laughs except as the bot’s perspective of how he didn’t relate to it or understand the point of it. Same with a lot of the other characteristics of the humans. The humans in the book aren’t actually bumbling idiots, that’s just how the bot perceives them. I felt like the show was missing the point.
I did enjoy how the tv show portrayed “sanctuary moon” though.
If you haven’t read the books, I recommend them. There’s only like one real clunker in the set.
Absolutely fucking yes w.r.t. the characters being stupid in the show. In the books, the people from Preservation are incredibly competent.
TV SHOW AND BOOK SPOILERS
As an example, book Mensah would NOT have had a fucking panic attack dragging a sensor up a mountain alone because she would not have been foolish enough to put herself in that situation. Book Mensah does not take needless risks. She only does inadvisable things when her moral code requires her to do so.
Mensah and the other preservation folks are acting too much like the corporates. The books show you that living under a corporate boot makes you stunted and limited because that's a natural consequence of the profit-focused environment they create. Preservation cares about people, so the people from there are well rounded and don't do stupid things quite as often.
It's really hurting my enjoyment of the show. Why can't we have competence porn like we used to with shows like TNG and DS9?
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I disagree that it’s a faithful adaptation from the books.
There have been plenty of lore and story changes. The overall ‘tone’ is different too. Books are more hard sci-fi.
That being said, I’m still enjoying it as its own thing and I wish the episodes were longer.
My general head cannon for the discrepancies especially with the additions is that the books are written by Murderbot as a record and it has admitted to being an unreliable narrator including glossing over things that it's not interested in or doesn't understand the value of. The show is more of a third-person perspective so it's entirely possible some of what we are seeing was those moments that Murderbot didn't see fit to include.
I'm enjoying it, though it feels...off? Somehow, likely because its a 30m format, it seems to speed through episodes, or starts to pick up steam then abrubtly ends.
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I've read the books and thoroughly enjoyed them and am now thoroughly enjoying the show. The emphasis of the show is different, certainly, but in this case I am happy with that. After the first episode in which I was all 'It's not that way in the book...' I am taking as it is.
My SO has not read the books and is also thoroughly enjoying it. It is probably her favourite show at the moment.
I wish all episodes were out all at once - I'd binge the hell out of it.
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It's fun I like it :)
Only glaring flaw is that I can no longer ignore my need for more murderbot content
This was my experience trying to get copies of the books from the library before I gave in a bought the series.
"Three month waiting period for book 6 and five month for 3" Q_Q.
The audiobook pricing though? Actually a hate crime. An ironic one.
Murderbot IS pro pirating media... just saying 🤷♂️
To be honest I've only seen the first two episodes and they didn't really grab me.
I enjoyed the books a lot when I read them, but never felt like it would adapt well to TV since so much exposition happens in the main character's head.
Does it get better in later episodes?
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