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They are citing ONS figures of excess deaths as proof the vaccines are killing people. I tried to explain that not being able to get a doctor's appointment, staying home and getting fat, etc explain the figures (official sources have said it too) but they said it's "gaslighting" and then said their family doctor wouldn't get the vaccine.

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[–] last_philosopher@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago* (last edited 38 minutes ago)

A lot of people are saying cut them off, but I have a family member who was into the anti-vax conspiracy theories and kinda still is, but it's much less of a focus now and is pretty obviously just being carried forward by cognitive dissonance at this point. There will never be total victory, but there can be a reasonable truce.

What I'd suggest is the most counter-intuitive strategy - show genuine interest. Say "Ok, I want to know more, but I need you to be specific. Tell me what your theory is and what the evidence is, I'll take my time looking at it, and respond in detail."

Keep in mind, they probably won't pay attention to whatever your respond with. That's ok. The response isn't the point, pinning them down on what they think is. So often these things are purely emotional, and forcing them into a logical framework will make them do the work for you. As for the response, odds are it's some combination of cherry-picked data and spurious correlations, if not outright made up facts. Think of alternate explanations for what they're showing you that are more plausible than a vaccine killing people. And remember that if the vaccine really was killing people, it would be really obvious, not something we need look deep into the matrix to find.

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 1 points 43 minutes ago

Are people still talking about Covid vaccines? Aren’t there new conspiracies to move onto. How about Biden being a robot?

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 1 points 51 minutes ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Just ask them to pass the potato salad.

[–] seemefeelme@infosec.pub 1 points 57 minutes ago

People who believe in these types of theories usually want to feel part of a club or may just be gullible. Pulling up charts and figures likely will not help as they often dismiss it or change the theory. Listening to them and asking them why they feel that way and where they got the information can cause them to critically think about it and start to form the cracks in the theory. If you think you're getting somewhere, maybe ask why vaccines and not another, more accessible form of medicine.

In this case, it sounds like the family doctor may be the source. Clarify exactly what this doctor said and what they would prescribe instead of a vaccine. It may be something homeopathic or a scam, or something else indicating the doctor is spreading a vaccine lie for their own gain.

If you're getting nowhere, consider if this family member has a history of mental illness. Some disorders make people prone to skepticism and a general mistrust of the world, or cause magical thinking. Schizophrenia, bipolar (manic episodes), and OCD can sometimes be hard to spot.

Unfortunately, it could also be something ego-centered, and being "in" on a theory forms a core part of their identity, separating them from the "sheep". They could be unempathetic to the idea of their actions spreading disease, or annoyed at the idea they have to take action to protect themselves. Based on the number of emotional responses in this thread and the general advice to block them or call them names, this is, sadly, a very likely cause. In this case, the best thing you can do is protect yourself by getting the vaccine that they won't and limit physical contact. It's a very sad reality that this line of selfish thinking has become extremely prevalent since COVID. I also had a vaccine skeptic family member who only gave it up once they caught COVID. They were lucky; take a look at r/DarwinAward to see the damage vaccine denialism causes.

Stay safe OP. I hope there is light for your family member.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago

It's been three years, where are all the bodies? Where are the people crying out for their lost loved ones?

Oh that's right, the ones who died, died of disease and you can talk to their families online and learn about what happened.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I’ve had about 9 boosters at this point, and my nuts are so swollen from spike proteins that when I go to Walmart, they accuse me of trying to steal basketballs.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 hours ago

You could agree, that there are those internationally trying to kill members of the general public. Not with vaccinations, but with misinformation. Anyone they can convince, has a chance to die. Tell them to not be a stupid lemming.

I knew several people who died from COVID and one died from health complications later. I know my reality, but I guess others may need to face death directly to learn the hard lesson.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 hour ago

good idea, i'm sure they'll get better on their own

[–] Cyberflunk@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Punch them in the fucking face and 300 kick their asses out the door

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

I had this problem.

I stopped talking to them.

[–] Kickforce@lemmy.wtf 6 points 4 hours ago

Agree with them. Tell them that yes indeed there is a deep state that wants to kill as many people as possible by spreading disinformation causing morons not to take the vaccines so more stupid people die. It's eugenics really and very, very heinous. Wait wasn't that what they meant?

[–] brendansimms@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I’m on the ONS site and there’s mountains of publications and data on Covid. Which publication did they read?

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

“I’ll pay for yours if it means you can’t reproduce.”

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago

"More vaccines for me"

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

You stop speaking to them.

They'll either come to realize that there are real world consequences for being a dumb asshole, like their friends and family abandoning them....or they won't. Either way, you win.

[–] Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I heard You'll die in six months at Thanksgiving one year.

"Really? Holy fuck, I'm immortal! Call the press! Wait, no, I don't want to be locked in a room and tested for 40 years, maybe we all just keep this our little secret."

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I love this popular and ass-backwards depiction of medical research because in reality it's boring af sitting around in some clinic, they probably draw some blood and you're free to go after an hour with a stipend.

[–] Stern@lemmy.world 40 points 15 hours ago

You can't logic someone out of something they didn't logic themselves into, and they definitely got emotionally attached to antivax before they found "statistics" to back shit up.

[–] troglodytis@lemmy.world 13 points 13 hours ago

Disengage and choose your family

[–] Toes@ani.social 6 points 12 hours ago

I told their grandmother how silly they are.

Straightened them right out. (Happened with my close friends family)

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 12 points 14 hours ago

Ask for the comparison in excess deaths comparison of vaccinated versus unvaccinated.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago

You just stop talking to them entirely. Sorry.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

What's the best way to respond to a family member who says the COVID vaccines are being used to depopulate?

"You are a fucking idiot" usually does the job.

[–] AlreadyDefederated@midwest.social 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

"That is a fucking idiotic idea."

Attacks the idea, not the person. Probably will be the same result, because they probably were a fucking idiot to believe that stuff, and they are very attached to stupid ideas.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 7 hours ago

Attacks the idea, not the person

Well anti-vax are idiots so there is that.

Probably will be the same result

Precisely. If someone is an idiot, they won't understand the difference anyway.

[–] catty@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago

Don't bother. Anything bad you say will be dismissed as a 'smear' campaign against that person because 'they' (big pharma, the millions of scientists who are all in on "it") don't want you to know and they'll just shut off against you. Just take a step back from the dolt.

[–] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 9 points 15 hours ago

encourage them to go to therapy

[–] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 124 points 1 day ago

"If you think the world's top scientists are trying to kill you, then why would you listen to any expert about anything? They'll save you from yourself when you're wrong anyway. Would you do the same for them? That's why they're trustworthy, and you and your sources are not."

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Get the vaccine. Best response.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 81 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Bye."

Then leave and stay gone.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 45 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I'm often a dick. I probably wouldn't say anything immediately, and then use that asinine opinion to dismiss anything else the person says later. Forever. They say something about , "Yeah, but you also think vaccines kill people, so we already know you are an idiot." Just on repeat on every opinion they voice, until they never want to say anything around me or talk to me.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

It depends on how invested you are in their health. I wouldn't do that to my mother, for instance.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago

Maybe not the answer you’re looking for, but I have an uncle like that.

I suggest going no contact if you can.

Reason being, they don’t care about facts, nothing you say will convince them.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Every time he lies about vaccines you break one of his fingers and tell him lying is bad for his health.

Jokes aside, ask him who his doctor is, call up his doctor on speaker and ask the doctor if they'd recommend vaccines. He is almost certainly lying to you because he thinks "you believe doctors, ergo I will lie and say a doctor supports my position in an attempt to manipulate you".

[–] Resplendent606@piefed.social 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not everything requires a response and at some point you have to pick your battles. They have revealed to you that they are an idiot. It is not your job to fix them.

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Seriously, I've had multiple conversations with my BIL where he comes over to me and says something insane, and my response is just "huh okayyy...." and I walk away without saying anything else. I don't care to be polite anymore.

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[–] Clasm@ttrpg.network 28 points 22 hours ago

I generally reframe it from a perspective even they think they understand: Money.

Governments want their money. Less Population = Less Taxes for them to take, ergo, no government is trying to lower their population. And do they, the audience, think that the government is willing to have less money?

I don't think so!

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Tell them that's completely true, and that if they keeps spreading the truth the black vans will come for them, they know too much.

The birds have already heard the rumors, and the clock is ticking. They better do something and shut up before they end up in "the facility".

[–] floop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 23 hours ago
[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Tell them that you're a sheeple, and got the safe dose of the vaccine, since they want to keep the compliant people around. Tell them it's too bad they're on "the list" of bad people.

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