Why is the concept that ethnic cleansing is always wrong so hard for people to grasp?
this post was submitted on 20 Jun 2025
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I think it gets dangerous when people see other groups as things instead of other humans. The holocaust was run with factories and machines designed for killing. There was no empathy since the people being murdered where just objects to the murders.
There are a plethora of factors (upbringing, psychological predisposition, life events, etc.) that shape a person’s worldview, be that view good or bad.
Because so many people claim it's suddenly fine when the people being clensed are pedophiles or Nazis or rapists.
Remember kids, racism and ethnonationalism is bad, until you can use it as an excuse to ethnically cleanse millions of people for having the wrong ancestors!
What's this got to do with tankies tho?
Hypercampism against the Bad West(tm) advocating for literal genocide from a nominal leftist is tankie-adjacent at the least.
As a wise man once said
The monkey's out of the bottle, man. Pandora doesn't go back in the box.
But yeah, hand waving away the logistical nightmare that would be displacing millions of people is real dumb.
Not arguing for it, but Israel was built on such displacement so it's not exactly impossible. You just need to have no respect for human life.
It's the same magical thinking conservatives use. Believing or so desperately wanting simple solutions to complex problems. They have nuclear weapons for Christ's sake. Even assuming you could get them all to just stand down and comply. What would you even do? Would take possession of the weapons Etc. It's just absurd on its face.
But that doesn't stop them. I pointed out the similarities between them and the magats they hate a year and a half ago. At the height of the propaganda surrounding the 24 elections. Receiving reactionary hatred. Hell. I recently told them plainly. That the issues in Gaza were unfortunately never on the balance. Seeing as both Biden and Trump had largely the same stance. And it was always going to be one of the two elected. The sad pyrrhic down voting and shrill calls of Zionist and Israel lover were very predictable. And laughable.
I'm just honestly not sure if they're really that young. That ignorant. Or if there's some bigger conspiracy going on. Honestly though I think it's just delusion.
I’m just honestly not sure if they’re really that young. That ignorant. Or if there’s some bigger conspiracy going on. Honestly though I think it’s just delusion.
Just delusion. As you said, it's the same as MAGA types. Mirror the script and improve the grammar slightly, and it's literally the same arguments peddled by fascists.
I also want to note that half of Israeli Jews are of Middle Eastern descent, and holy fuck at least where I'm from these guys would literally get lynched.
Just want to repeat the comment you hid there in case it's relevant to the point being made.
They can also remain in Palestine and live alongside native Palestinians or return to their home countries under the right of return.
The point is that ethnic jews would no longer have the exclusive right of self-determination in Palestine.
It's not relevant to the point being criticized, since the insane shit being criticized is "It's okay to deport millions of Israeli Jews because they have Bad Ancestors" not "There should be a single nondiscriminatory state for all residents of the region instead of Israel"
OOP started out with this comment, after all:
When the Council of Rabbis falls and the population of enslaved Zionists is liberated and allowed to return to their native countries, Iran will be greated as a liberator.
You forgot this part -
Iran has a right to defend itself
That comment was tongue-in-cheek.
That comment was tongue-in-cheek.
Saying that Iran has the same right to defend itself as Israel hardly strikes me as tongue-in-cheek. Nor does doubling-down talking about how Israel-born Israelis 'belonging' in the countries of their European ancestors despite such rhetoric having no such usage it could be mirrored from regarding current rhetoric in a potential war with Iran.
Here maybe this will help:
"Israel has a right to defend itself"
talking about how ~~Israel-born Israelis~~ [native palestinians] ‘belonging’ in the countries of their ~~European ancestors~~ [pan-arabic neighbors]
It's definitely not antisemitism, no sir. They just want half of the world's jews to be rendered stateless and subject to brutal persecution on the basis of their ethnicity. And if you disagree you're racist and islamophobic and you deserve to have your head cut off with a dull knife for it.
Remove ethnicity completely from the argument as it really doesn't matter ig these millions are Jewish people, Chinese peoples, or African peoples. The fact is moving millions of people is neigh impossible and every attempt to do so previously has resulted in a lot of death. If "killing tens to hundreds of thousands of people unnecessarily" is NOT on your bingo card then you should not support another attenpt at partitioning a nation.
That's what the state of Israel doing as we speak but clearly not enough people are worried about the Israeli Jews 🤡
rendered stateless and subject to brutal persecution
Well if they were subject to a differen't ethnonationalist state who had a monopoly on the use of force against them, that would be really bad.
Thankfully, that has never happened before.
The Israeli Jew is now a victim?
The Israeli Jew is now a victim?
what
the people committing the genocide in gaza... has anyone thought about them and their feelings today?!
A people as a whole cannot be responsible for a crime, because there will always be members who did not have a say in committing it (children at the very least, and realistically some adults will object too). Stopping the genocide is a good thing, holding the decision makers accountable and doing what can reasonably be done to prevent another is a good thing, but holding another in retribution for the first one would not be.
This is not true.
When a sufficiently large part of a society goes along with mass high crimes such as genocide it is reasonable to collectively blame the whole of society.
I can't speak for Israel, but if you look at say russia, a strong majority (at the very least) are openly committed to genocidal imperialism and an overwhelming majority (~84%) are openly supportive of imperialism.
People come up with lazy arguments such as "they are all afraid!!!", when preference falsification can be measured and it's not a good result for the russians. A small minority falsify their preferences with respect to open support for genocide, but when it comes to imperialism (e.g. annexation if Crimea) preference falsification is literally at 1% or so for a totally adjustment from 85% to 84%.
I honestly don't know much about Israeli public opinion research, but I wouldn't be surprised to find damning results.
No. If 85% of a group is guilty of something, then to say that whole group is guilty, would obviously be false, because 85 is simply not equal to 100. If I round up a group of 99 murders, and stick you in a room with them, that does not suddenly mean that you are a murderer because "the people in that room collectively are murders". Otherwise, literally everyone is, because I can simply define a group of people that includes mostly people that have committed horrible crimes, plus any given person, and now that person is a "murderer", and I can rinse and repeat until everyone has been so grouped.
the people committing the genocide in gaza… has anyone thought about them and their feelings today?!
... are you alright?