Wait until the suckers learn that he doesn't want people to eat animals in the apocryphal writings. But that's just how Christianity works... Take what fits the bill (Emperor Constantine, Jerome of Stridon, anyone?).
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No. Socialism is a form of government that relies on forced redistribution, which is not something Jesus ever advocated for or practiced. He DID encourage people to share their wealth and take care of the poor, yes, but he never took anything by force in order to give it to them, and he never told people to do so either.
Socialism is an economic theory second to the form of government. IOW, you can have authoritarian + socialism, authoritarian + capitalist, or whatever combination might exist, like Democratic + socialism, or social policy.
All systems rely on forced redistribution in some form unless it’s anarchy.
Wait, am I not forced to pay taxes? And isn't any progressive tax by definition redistribution? United States confirmed as socialist, you heard it here first!
If anything socialism is Christianism since that's what Jesus taught, not socialism.
Anyway Pope Leo XIII explained it better in the Rerum novarum (distributism not socialism), maybe an Anarchist (on Earth) because there is no ruler but Him, no government but God's.
Aristotle discussed some ideas central capitalism. Why don’t we start a new cult around him and his ideas? We could eventually use the cult to exploit vulnerable individuals, brainwash innocent people, commit human rights violations, incite people into committing hate crimes, start wars and promote chaos and suffering in general.
You are absolutely right. It isn't complicated. A fundamental principle from the teachings of Jesus is that everyone should share their "wealth" (i.e. food, housing, medical care, etc.) with those in need. No one should ever be hungry, homeless, or sick without treatment. It follows naturally from the idea of loving everyone, without exception.
I'm not going to argue the questions about whether Jesus was divine or even existed. I am simply talking about the philosophy that is presented as his by the Gospels. That is the core of Christianity, but it is ignored by a majority of those who call themselves Christians. The fact that it is difficult and calls for personal sacrifices is not an excuse. He never said that it would be easy.
I accept that Christian principles can be viewed as aspirational goals and not an absolute code of conduct, but that is not what we see in the would-be Christians. They have no interest in working toward those goals.
Wha wha WHAAAAAAAAT??!
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Jesus literally REFUSED to be dragged into ideological politics of his time (John 6:10-15)
He even defied those who tried to put him to test and force a political statement come from him against the current political leader, the Caesar, by trying to have him a forced position on taxes (Mark 12:13-17)
All this makes sense, as he himself said about himself and his followers that they are not part of this world (John 15:19)
He LITERALLY made his teaching revolve around god’s kingdom, not any human ideology (Matthew 6:9, 10)
I mean FUCK, even Satan himself offered him to be the ruler of the whole FUCKING world and he rejected it flat out (John 14:30)
He did care about people, and alleviated the physical suffering of many, but he made clear his and his followers priority should be preaching and teaching God’s word (Mark 1:32-38)
And why wouldn’t he, after all, part of his teachings are that all the world governments and ideologies are to be destroyed. (Revelation 16:14) Every. Single. one.
Yes, including socialism.
So anyone using his teachings to attack whoever and linking him to your ideology, calling him a representative of brand "X" collectivism, should get down from any high horse they think they are, it’s not doing you or them any favor and they clearly don’t know what they are talking about.
Case in point, people talking in here about a hell existing in the bible when there is none. That’s basically all it takes
Yea, but The Church (or, since you're specifically talking about Gringoland, rather, churchES) are capitalist enterprises - hence you can't expect them to criticise capitalism (even less, capitalists).
I can and I do. If they go so heavily against the teachings of the person they're named after, they're nothing but the worst kinds of hypocrite.
...and you are figuring that out in 2025?
What part of my post implied that I recently came to this conclusion?
Well, given that the world is pretty much on fire right now, it does feel a bit out of place to start rambling about Christian hypocrisy. So, like, yea, I get your point and I do believe most religious people are hypocrites (nor is that a phenomenon that only affects Christians), but...how about, if we want to follow that line of thinking, pointing the finger at the ''''''''''Jewish'''''''''' state and its genocidal '''leader''', that rabid dog no politician anywhere is willing to put a leash on? We would be talking about hypocrisy at a much, much higher level and it would be, at the veeeery least, as relevant...
Someone criticising something in 2025 doesn't mean they just figured it out in 2025.
More than that, giving food and drink to the hungry and thirsty, welcoming strangers, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, and giving comfort to the imprisoned, is literally the same as doing those things for Jesus Christ, himself, from his perspective. And, moreover, those who do those things will earn their place in heaven, and those who fail to do those things will be eternally damned to hell. It's not subtextual. It's not ambiguous and up for interpretation. It says very clearly that Jesus separated those who are going to heaven and hell to either side and the distinction between the groups was how they treated "the least" of his brothers and sisters. Matthew 25:31-46.
So, bad news Christian Republicans. Might want to correct yourself now before it's too late.
They aren't. In fact, many of the MAGA Republicans have been pushing their pastors to stop being so "woke" and to teach "real" Christian values, i.e. oppressing people.
The sad thing is that these pastors are giving up their values and acquiescing.
And that is why churches must be firebombed and religion abolished.
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This isnt 1785 any more. Cristianity is a violent terrorist ideology.
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Jesus also hated the Nicolaitans. And if you want socialism without a revolution, which is also not OK, you need yo go the Nicolaitan way.
I'm no longer a Christian but when people tried to get jesus to weigh in on hot button political issues of his day (probably to entrap him into saying something that would piss off either the zealots or the romans) he told them "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's; render unto god what is God's". The meaning, I take it, is that he was there with a spiritual message, not a political one
I think part of that sentiment is also I'm not a threat to the government please don't kill me
100%. I've been reading about early christianity for the last 20 months and a major characteristic was shared meals. They were absolutely following a socialist model. But we do capitalism. Woohoo.
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The early church was actually kinda communist, having all things in common.
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what I'm amazed by is that those who would benefit most from socialism are the ones who call it "handouts" and vote against it
Ironically, western culture today suffers from one of the same falsehoods that Jesus himself preached against: the idea that poverty is a moral failing. They believe that the rich are wealthy because they've "earned it" in some way, and therefore must be morally superior for their work ethic. Conveniently, this also allows the wealthy to keep a clean conscience--if everyone was as "good" as they are, they could all be enjoying this life too.
So with this mindset, all "good" people who are poor are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires--they identify with the rich, who actively abuse and suppress them, because they believe themselves to be part of the same "moral party."
The Prosperity Gospel folks go a step further and equate wealth and health with the will of god. That being well-off is the direct result of being in god's good graces. It side-steps observations of financial inequality in the face of moral equality, by hand-waving exceptional wealth as deserved by truly rare and exceptional people. And that conveniently plays off of confusing causation for correlation, so we arrive at "money = godly."
For the record: I hate that this has a name and it's a real thing.
Yeah, Joel Osteen has a special place in hell. The boiler room. All the way down.
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Christianity is incredibly easy to fake. Anyone can call themselves a Christian with little, if any, blowback. It's the whole 'sinner saved by grace' schtick - which is, essentially, "Yup, I'm a Christian but I don't really have to act like one."
Religion isn’t about actually helping people. It’s used to control the masses with shame, guilt and the threat of eternal damnation. It’s used to abuse and fleece the weak and the poor.
People holding onto “that’s not what Jesus would do” are just in denial about the cult they participate in.
Jesus is just a tool used to dupe rubes. If you need a fictional character to tell you to act like a decent human being then you’re not a good person.
If you need a fictional character to tell you to act like a decent human being then you’re not a good person.
What happens when you need a real person to tell you to act like a "decent human being" like every human in existence today? Are we all by nature "evil" because we require third parties to dictate what "good" is?
Nobody needs third parties to dictate what good is, it's embedded in our genes.
This is incorrect. You likely have learned little on your own, especially true regarding behavior.
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