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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

  • Fascists and Nazis
  • Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
  • “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
  • A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] tfm@europe.pub 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

The link is broken, unfortunately

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 4 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Alternative URLs have been posted in thread.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 37 points 1 day ago

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here

So who took the blog post down at Gnome?

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 30 points 1 day ago
[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 7 points 1 day ago

On the one hand, the guy who wrote this blog post is kinda unhinged.

On the other hand, I'm kinda living for it and agree with his views.

So really it all evens out in the end.

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 50 points 1 day ago (9 children)

X11 AND Wayland are for degenerates, a distraction at best but mostly just something that wastes CPU cycles and RAM.

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

The past and present are also terminal.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

obviously the future is shoving the ethernet cable up your ass and dialing in directly

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago

That would explain 70% of the shit you can find on the internet

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 28 points 1 day ago (15 children)

I do think ditching X11 is still slightly premature. For all its more modern features, there's still a lot that Wayland either hasn't implemented yet or "can't do" because of its "security model."

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[–] haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com -2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I will always be hated for this but fascism is necessary. It is the whip of the owning class. As long as you have capitalism, you have fascism.

In more detail if you wish:

Normal society: Person make chair, person sell chair, person eat

Thats the "natural" way of things.

Capitalism: Person make chair, person get tiny cut of chair because [mArKeTiNg cOsT, responsibility, land ownership and other bogus excuses], person eat less, capitalist eat more.

People dont really accept this because it is not natural or fair. Therefore you need a couple of things, depending on the stage of capitalism:

the carrot (you will have your own house! you will buy cool things! you can be rich!)

the veil (propaganda, telling you why it is the only thing that works, why you just need to comply, because compliance will be rewarded...)

the stick (a militarized police force that will shoot you if you dont comply)

As you can see, all western states are currently going down the "military disguised as police" route. Why do you think that is? It is because the capitalists want more yachts.

And after 100 years of propaganda, we actually believe there never has been a better system.

Have a great day.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

And after 100 years of propaganda, we actually believe there never has been a better system.

If you mean the way a medieval village or town functioned, then this comparison omits the improvements of "capitalism" over it.

Person make chair, person sell chair, person eat - that's if they are this village's or town's chairmaker. If not, they are treated as if they stole from the chairmaker. Teeth kicked in, banished. Something like that. The chairmaker's role is transferred by inheritance or by apprenticeship from one person to one other person. Like a noble's title.

The way medical practice works in some countries with English law, I've heard, still reminisces that, and the results are not liked generally.

Choices and social mobility and social lifts are not present in a traditional society. That village remains in one place over many years. It may grow or shrink, but there's simply no need to allow cook's son to become a chairmaker, or vice versa. Or if there's is, the whole village may assemble and talk about such a decision once in 10-20 years. If he has two sons, then one of them works for the other, can't be cook on his own. If he wants to be his own man, he can try and find an apprenticeship, if some other master doesn't have a son or an apprentice. In other place maybe.

In a city it was similar, except, to scale the same "natural order", guilds existed and not small families, but guilds' heads would make such collegial decisions. Or heads of merchant families.

What you feel as oppression now is not really worse than what a medieval man felt, living all his life the same way in the same place.

I blame Marx for this misconception, he probably tried to play the "good old times" typical German card, but his followers, as a result, often believe that industrialization somehow made free people wage slaves. No. Try living in a village, today, in a western country. And then imagine you wouldn't work or travel elsewhere, all your life would be around that small place, with the same few people and families year after year. Social lifts and social mobility, vertical or even horizontal, were simply unimaginable in such a structure.

[–] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I've always found it very useful to find the capitalist shills like this early in threads like these to block and clear the air.

[–] Xylight@lemdro.id 21 points 1 day ago

Looks like I have been an early adopter of Gay™️

[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 2 days ago (3 children)

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.

NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯

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[–] DollyDuller@programming.dev 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago

Once on internet, forever on internet :) Thanks.

[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 63 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Wayland is gay?! I need to get off my ass and finally switch then!

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 30 points 2 days ago

Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.

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[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 116 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being "anti-DEI" (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.

Sorry you're getting harassed. I hope you can take solace in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.

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