Wow, a vacation location I would like to visit even less than the US.
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When does construction of a Trump Tower there begin?
Fantastic news for ml! I'm sure they'll visit in droves.
"Cut my life into pieces..."
Fascism
No voting
Don't care if they destroy the country they're living.
Everything going on in the US right now makes me want to go there to get Warmbier'd
Some observers say this is an easy way for Pyongyang to earn money. While foreign tourists are allowed in, tour groups largely tend to come from China and Russia, countries with whom Pyongyang has long maintained friendly relations.
The middle east oil state meta claims another.
Kim Jong Un bets on tourism
Context?
I tried to go, but had funny pictures of the vice supreme leader and wasn't allowed in the country.....
Should have told him "Thank You".
America or North Korea, both shit hole countries I’ll avoid
Surprised pikachu x Vance Photoshopped
The last resort.
Can you imagine being this disconnected on the world perception about yourself and how you run your country? Crazy.
Kim was educated in Europe, not like he's clueless about the outside world. Also, there's such a thing as "poverty tourism". (I forget the word.)
Only a moron would want to visit North Korea where Kim Jung Un will have you killed for saying anything negative about him or the country.
My thoughts on the US
I'd love to go there, and Iran, but I'm not stupid. The foreign culture would be amazing.
Nope. You're definitely stupid.
Watch the Anthony Bourdain "Parts Unknown" episode about Iran for some perspective without the propaganda... Just like the US, the government is awful, but the people, in general, seem wonderful.
I would hope that people from other countries would give me the benefit of the doubt that myself and every other American aren't pieces of shit just because our government is literally evil.
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and respond to your 4-word insult comment, because I think it's important and I'm assuming you either didn't realize that OP is saying they currently won't go there because of the political situation, or you're saying that the existence of the current political situation completely erases any potential historical or cultural value the people and the country may have or have ever had or ever will have and that's a really awful thing to say and I can't imagine how someone could have that attitude without intentional hyperbole unless they're being a disgustingly intolerant bigot.
Iran is a beautiful country, in most of its history it was Persia. They were fierce warriors yes but also academics and scholars. They provided the foundation of modern astronomy and mathematics and were a beacon of civilization and education. We literally use "arabic" numbers today because of them. There is beautiful architecture, beautiful geography, beautiful wildlife in Iran and none of that had any choice about the government. There are wonderful people there, including ones who protest the regime and fight for democracy and human rights.
The modern tyrannical islamofascist government sucks and of course nobody should go there now or at any foreseeable point in the future, but it's not stupid to want to go there, and if they had a safe, friendly democratic nation (which it should be pointed out many of the people in Iran and who have fled Iran's current regime would also like) I absolutely would love to visit too. I'm less interested in North Korea, personally, but I can understand that it might appeal to others and there might be interesting places and things and people there too that I'm just not interested in or don't know about. I would also love to go to Russia too. Again, I would only do that without the government or the bad parts of their culture, but I still love many of the parts of their history and culture. I don't hate the people or the land. I hate the evil governments and the shitty cultural attitudes.
Try not to have shitty cultural attitudes yourself, appreciate and avoid invalidating the good parts of other people's cultures, and it will help the world to be a better place where we can all get along.
Interestingly, I've recently watched Real Life Lore's video on the topic. It's from 2 months ago and later in the video, it talks about the last batch of western foreigners that got in and how the regime almost immediately regretted letting them record and talk as much as they did.
There was also a S. Korean resort ran by Hyundai, from 1998 to 2008, which got shut down and nationalized after an incident had the N. Koreans shoot and kill Park Wang-ja, a 53 year old woman.
It will be a Trump hotel and MAGA nuts will go stay there.
Oh can we please make this happen?
NK is a bad enough place to visit without worrying about everything. It’s the ultimate in mismanagement.
Management says it must happen, so it happens, or we tell them it’s happened. When someone gets hurt because it actually didn’t happen, there’s a cover up.
Otto Warmbier
Plot to a horror movie.
Hope there aren't any flags or posters that can murder a poor tourist.
Anyone who goes there of their own free will should know that they could end up like Otto Warmbier at any time. No tears will be shed for them.
They are likely betting on Chinese/Russian tourists. No way Kim lays a finger on a PRC citizen.
You are talking about a fellow human being...
Yes, which is why it's important for them to realize what they're getting themselves into. Did Warmbier deserve what happened to him? Absolutely not, but knowing what happened and still going over there to play tourist means you've understood, accepted and internalized the possible risk. I will reserve my tears for the many thousands of people who get into trouble through no fault of their own.
Does anyone even go to North Korea? Is that like a thing?
They do have a tourism industry, composed of ideological "true believers" (not that big of a group), tourists wanting to experience the unique culture out of curiosity (or - in the more recent years - also to produce social media content), and tourists interested in the unique architecture.
In the overwhelming amount of cases, it also goes well enough, because it is a welcome avenue to get foreign currency for them, and despite what some may believe, the state is still fully within the dynamics of capital accumulation. (Other examples are: contractors in construction, where they have unique know-how in monumental constructions, which is also one of the places where the exploitation of their populace as wage labourers can become visible to the outside world - and selling stamps and other collectibles in demand for being "exotic" as they are from NK.)
But then, every now and again, you have cases like Otto Warmbier.
A few people have, but it's not common. https://abcnews.go.com/International/prominent-americans-met-north-korean-leaders/story?id=53635089