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[–] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 134 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon

[–] Venicon@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Don’t know what you mean. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X all make perfect sense and leave zero grounds for confusion at all

[–] Arello@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 days ago

Lol, that has some pre-Switch Nintendo naming energy

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 74 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 94 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

I can't think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:

  • They renamed Office 365 to just "365" (and then "365 Copilot"). The mind boggles.
  • They named their light extensible code editor "Visual Studio Code", despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called "Visual Studio".
  • They called their application framework "the .NET framework".
  • They called the replacement framework ".NET Core", and after a few major versions, changed to calling it ".NET", but it's totally distinct from the .NET framework.
  • They called their ninth major desktop operating system "Windows 7", then followed up with "Windows 8" and... "Windows 10".
  • Their native web app replacement for Outlook is called "New Outlook".
  • They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app "Windows App". I have no words.
[–] JordanZ@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

My favorite is still Microsoft Zune… Which was a music store, music subscription service, a desktop app, and a physical media player.

It’s like they want their stuff to literally be unsearchable on the internet. Renaming Remote Desktop to Windows App is a prime example of this. Good luck trying to search for that and get what you want.

[–] Kyre@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You all have no idea the idiocy of their naming and the confusion it causes with their business software: Microsoft Dynamics - This is an array of business software. Some of it is the same core platform with different features but many of the applications are acquisitions and run on different back-end platforms.

Microsoft Dynamics CRM (Customer relationship Management). They originally named their software to be the name of what it actually does. Not a bad idea so when people searched for that name, results would point to their software eventually. This is their Salesforce competitor.

After building market and name recognition and gaining market space, they renamed it to Dynamics Customer Engagement (CE). Then soon after split the product into modules or sub-products and called them: Dynamics 365 Sales, Dynamics 365 Customer Service, Dynamics 365 Field Service (which was a module acquired by Microsoft but was originally called field one sky), Dynamics 365 Project Operations (which was originally called Project Service Automation).

They had MDM (Microsoft Dynamics Marketing) which was an email marketing platform. This MDM is not to be confused with MDM (Mobile data management) but was actually just the first iteration of their marketing tool. They re-wrote it from scratch and called it "Dynamics Marketing". They then re-wrote it a third time (they are in the process of finishing the re-write) and it is now called "Microsoft Dynamics Customer Insights and Journey's". A name that just rolls right off the tongue.

Accounting Software Microsoft GP - This was a Microsoft software acquisition of accounting software called "GP". Microsoft has been the steward of this project for a very long time but it is currently being phased out and is in end-of-life. Microsoft SL - Another acquisition. Accounting software called Solomon. Microsoft still sells and support this software. It serves a particular niche. Microsoft F&BO - This is a complicated one so I am just going to map out the names of what it was and what it has become but this is Microsoft's SAP/Oracle competitor for large organizations: Axapta -> Dynamics AX -> Dynamics Finance and Operations (F&O) -> Dynamics Finance and Operations and Supply Chain -> Dynamics Finance and Business Operations (F&BO) Microsoft BC - Microsoft Business Central was originally acquired by Microsoft as "Navision". They renamed it Microsoft NAV and more recently re-wrote and re-named it to Microsoft Business Central (BC).

Long post but they really just suck at names and rename things constantly. From the business side, I think it's intentional as it causes people to re-evaluate the software without any baggage from the name.

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[–] TheBat@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You forgot about Teams (New)

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I have Teams (New) as well as New Teams

Teams (New) is the next version of teams except I literally don't know what they've done because I can't see any difference.

New Teams appears to be a totally different project except again it looks identical but the calendar is different, they've actually managed to make the calendar worse, which is impressive since it was pretty goddamn unusable to start with.

I don't understand why they have two development strands going on simultaneously.

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You mean Teams or the other incompatible Teams, with the colors inverted on the icon?

[–] BananaIsABerry@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Remember when they named their voice assistant after a video game character?

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago

That was probably one of their most sensible naming decisions

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 13 points 3 days ago

I think It's called Xbox Series 365 Office Copilot Pro+ for .NET

[–] blattrules@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

Yeah, totally agree on this. If you put the last two names in front of me and asked which was newer, I’d have no idea. The new one has multiple versions too so it makes it more confusing.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, after the 360 they had XXXbox sitting right there and they acted like they were too good for it. Prudes.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft suck at naming things in general. It's a problem across every single branch of the business, people keep calling Office 365 0365 because Microsoft insists on calling it O365 and people think that's a zero. Also the name makes no sense anyway, why not call it Microsoft Office Online?

Then we have Microsoft Azure, except they renamed that to Entra despite the fact that both names are stupid. Then of course there is the entirety of the Windows OS lineup.

[–] Jesus_666@lemmy.world 19 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Entra isn't Azure. Entra ID is what they renamed Azure Active Directory to. But not always; there's also Azure Active Directory B2C (yes, that's the fully expanded name). And various other Azure-branded things that may or may not belong together.

Microsoft are spectacularly bad at naming things.

It's a miracle they haven't renamed Windows 11 to "360 365" or "Live 6.5" or "Active-DOS Series X" or something.

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 143 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing out all our dedicated talent didn't have consequences?

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 140 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Was funny when they said they needed more original games like Hi Fi rush after firing the people that made Hi Fi rush.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 17 points 4 days ago

technicallythetruth

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 13 points 4 days ago

Everyone knows developers only have one good game in them.

[–] 332@feddit.nu 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Have you considered firing half the workforce and pushing AI harder? I think that might fix it.

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[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (9 children)

The problem at this point is not so much that they don't have games - they have released plenty in the past few years and most have been received positively.

The problem is that they released those games too late, and by that point, the ship had already sailed. After a streak of disappointing years with the XOne, they needed strong titles to pair up with XSeries. Instead, they released jack shit for an entire year, and after that the disappointment just grew further with the likes of Halo Infinite, Starfield and the weird vampire game nobody asked for.

By that point, everyone already got themselves a PS5, a Switch, a gaming PC or a handheld device. Xbox needed to show their fans they believed in their mission and were capable of delivering strong titles on their platform, but everyone saw their releases and said "Meh".

The strong titles eventually came, but by that point they had already decided to port them over to the competition to offset the cost, and everyone saw the writing was on the wall for the platform.

Spencer can go on stage spewing whatever bullshit he wants, but nobody outside of the most diehard Xbox fans believe that the platform has a future - and it's very hard to convince people to invest on your platform when it's not certain how many more years it will be supported, and whether your store will remain accessible or shut down a few years down the line.

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[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why should they be focused on it? Xbox is now just a slimmed down Windows pc. You can play the exact same games on a pc, with access to the same storefront.

What’s the problem exactly?

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Microsoft's original plan was to own the living room the way they own the office space. Not just gaming, but all your movies, TV, shopping, etc. could be done through the XBox.

Kinect was a particularly big jump in that regard. There were demos of AR-type stuff where you could see yourself wearing clothes you might want to buy. You could move around and the clothes on screen would move with your body. There's some promo videos of that, but nothing concrete ever came of it.

Now they have slagging sales for two generations, and a AAA industry that struggles to make a real hit and is laying off a lot of people. They can't even hold onto the core gaming market much less get their tendrils into the rest of the living room. They then release a handheld that's basically an upgrade of an existing handheld that wasn't selling very well, but now with XBox branding.

Is this a problem for the rest of us? No, not really. There's plenty of alternatives, and we don't need to care. Is this the result the money people at Microsoft envisioned when they started this ~25 years ago? No, not at all.

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

For wanting to own the living room, they never tried particularly hard. PS3 was a damned successful blueray player. They just needed to give you a nice, curated experience and ease of use. There were literally people buying PS3's because they were cheaper than blueray players at the time

[–] octobob@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah, just like PS2 and the DVD player built in. Being able to play movies up in my bedroom as an 11 year old was amazing. It was also the most cost effective way to buy something that could play DVDs and the cutting edge games at the time. There's a reason why the PS2 remains the best selling console of all time

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

Yeah, Sony is just better at this. They're really good at taking advantage of their competitors' mistakes.

We forget a lot now, but the opening of the PS3/Xbox 360 era looked like Microsoft was winning. Sales looked good for them, Blu-ray be damned. Then the Red Ring of Death hits. In some ways, Microsoft has yet to recover from that. Sony held their face just above the toilet water ever since.

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[–] simple@piefed.social 63 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."

Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market. Even if they do make a new console, theyll put as much effort into it as the Xbox One.

[–] riskable@programming.dev 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft is trying to make Xbox into Windows: Where 3rd parties make the hardware and then license the platform from Microsoft. It's a vastly more profitable model. Especially if they get all those end users signed up for a subscription service.

The problem is that the world thinks of "Xbox" as a console (and a specific kind of controller). To pull this off Microsoft is going to have to re-brand Xbox entirely by making people think of it more like a game-specific app store that runs on Windows and special handheld hardware. It won't be easy.

There's a bigger problem with this plan though: No real coordination with the Windows OS team. Windows on handhelds sucks. The past twenty fucking years of Windows development has been almost entirely focused on improving enterprise features with very little attention paid to end users or gaming.

Growth in Windows gaming has come despite Microsoft's investments. Not because of them. In fact, I'd argue that if it weren't for Steam, Windows—as a gaming platform—would be a fraction of what it is today.

Don't get me wrong, though! I love this new Xbox roadmap! Windows gaming has been holding back Linux desktop adoption for far too long. The latest benchmarks that show games on SteamOS vastly outperforming the new Xbox-branded handhelds pretty clearly demonstrates all that bashing of Windows by Linux nerds was deeply accurate.

It turns out that Linux on the desktop really is superior! 🤣

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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 12 points 3 days ago (11 children)

While this is bad for the market, it's also entirely expected.

Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.

To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I've only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I've never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.

Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago

I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don't need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.

Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In the uk I remember the 360 being huge and nobody having a ps3, but now I'm not sure I know a single person who bought an xb1 or whatever the current one is called.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

360 was a big hit because everyone wanted to play halo. Honestly outside of that I don't think there was any other exclusives. At least none that I can remember

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 33 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though

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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

Well, everyone say hello to the $1000+ PlayStation 6.

What're you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?

No Xbox means Sony gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won't.

[–] Havoc8154@mander.xyz 32 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Nah, I'll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty 'AAAA' games a year?

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 17 points 3 days ago

But consider... Steam Deck.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

We passed the point of diminishing returns for graphics years ago. There's no point in keeping up with the latest hardware anymore.

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[–] network_switch@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

I've watched a video of hers before. My takeaway was that Microsoft is a heavily bloated company that suffocates internal development but with the OG Xbox and early 360, they were like a side bet that didn't have a great deal of oversight from MS Windows/Office/Server mega money eyes.

They didn't have a great deal of internal dev studios but they were really good at identifying third party exclusives to pursue and early on managed them and the few studios they did fully acquire well. It worked well for the first Xbox and first half 360. It differentiated the Xbox/360 from Nintendo and Playstation

Then I guess success led to changes in leadership aimed at growth and using Xbox as a platform to push more MS services and they lost the focus and ability to identify and secure great third party exclusives. That coupled with not having internal game dev teams in numbers and experience like Nintendo and Sony meant if they didn't hit with their living room smart device dominance ambition, they'd just have a worse PlayStation. That's what they ended up with with the XOne - a worse PS4. Then it happened again with the XSX because of lack of execution with their internal studios. An XSX just became a PS5-lite library-wise

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 22 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"There is literally no reason to buy this handheld," Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "

You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.

Gotta say, from the few times I've come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.

But what is the long-term plan?

To transition to a world where "Xbox" is the brand slapped across Microsoft's Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.

Where are the new hits?

This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they're doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.

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[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 17 points 4 days ago

F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.

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