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Thanks to the "you need to buy a new PC for running W11" bullshit, scammers are selling ewaste at full price to inexperienced people (feddit.it)

submitted 1 day ago by Moonrise2473@feddit.it to c/mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world

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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial
For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD
Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

soon™️

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 hours ago

Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don't let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those are newer than the CPU I'm typing this on, they're not waste

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It's a grey area scam. They're not worth $400 at all.

But 1000% not waste to a tech person. My oldest machines right now we're decommissioned workstations with 8th gen i5s that I used for seedbox, DNS/pihole, proxmox, etc. they won't get windows installed and I'll drive them til they literally die. Backed up with veaam to a second truenas, easily swapped out and back up and running with any failure. I love older tech because it's cheap and as long as you know what you're doing, it works well.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 6 points 6 hours ago

Not worth hundreds though

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 40 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 13 minutes ago

I had a very similar PC. I think maybe slightly better. I ended up upgrading because the CPU was becoming more and more of a bottleneck. The roar was Elden Ring. The fps wouldn't go past about 20. Also some gaves are now being compiled against x64 v3 instructions (like Hell Divers 2 and Death Stranding) which there's literally no way of running on an old CPU since it doesn't have the instructions for it.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Generally agree but also consider power usage. Of course it also depends how often its powered on or not. If its used a lot then buying newer hardware may well be cheaper just in the energy saved, though if its off most of the time then its less of a concern.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 1 points 36 minutes ago

From a personal finance perspective, you need to consider the price of the new machine and the difference in the energy bill for the average time you would still be using your current machine until it doesn't work anymore.

From a sustainability perspective, you also need to consider the manufacturing impacts of the new machine in all the production chain and the energy used in that process (this is a concept called emergy). Maybe also the disposal process of the current one, if that's the case.

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

Yeah no, calling cap on that.

It'll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.

It'll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.

I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it's twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You're delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

It should be able to run a pretty good sized factory in Factorio. Easily fast enough to compile CDDA.

Oh no, can't play what ever some AAA studio shat out last week, how ever will I cope...

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don't even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get "Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage". But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.

Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, same. That was my first major PC build and it hit its threshold. I used the hell out of it for nearly 6 years, but no way it's playing new games with a 1060.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

Has mentioned, I just finished It takes 2 with my nephew. Might subscribe to Gamepass to try Doom The Dark Age. Not everyone needs 4k or competition performance.

[–] BlackVenom@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Fr. I have an OCd 2500k and it was a bottleneck many years ago. Pre Sandy CPUs.... Not a chance it's not a bottleneck.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Serious question, why haven't you upgraded to an i7 yet? They'd have to be super cheap at this point, right?

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Wasn't a lot of benefits from the i7 back then, the 750 was still quad core, decent specs.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

The I7 has hyper threading which is a ~50% perf boost over the i5

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean, it's not my work PC anymore, but this one has been my main entertainment system for years now. I really don't need to upgrade and create e-waste to gain a little bit of performance. I haven't even installed Linux on it yet, still on win 10, but that will make it even faster. It's my firm belief that like 80% of the people would be fine with 15+ years old computers.

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[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Aa of July 1st we're closer to 2050 than 2000

Edit: 2020 -> 2000, derp

[–] lambipapp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Hahah. I think you should double check your sources. As far as I know 5 years is less than 25

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

To be fair, the year 2020 was a very long couple of decades.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 42 points 1 day ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

This is so wrong

Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.
Those listing are not what I would call "full price"
You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, those are basically Mini PC prices. The CPU alone used to cost more than that.

The specs look perfectly adequate (I'm still running very similar for daily use), and 1TB SSD and 32GB RAM should keep you going no matter how many tabs you open or how bloated your PC gets.

Personally I'd get a new Ryzen Mini PC for that kind of money just for the form factor, but they're hardly a scam. The main issue is that the crowd this is aimed at have very little use for a PC these days.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 7 points 1 day ago

Oh nooooo, however will I do the needful without Microsoft's world famous blue ribbon customer support.

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

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[–] rocky1138@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 day ago

Stop purchasing from Amazon

[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 58 points 1 day ago (5 children)

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (14 children)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

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[–] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you think that 210€ is full price for a pc then you require some research assistance.

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