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Thanks to the "you need to buy a new PC for running W11" bullshit, scammers are selling ewaste at full price to inexperienced people (feddit.it)
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And from the glowing reviews it's clear that

  1. W11 doesn't actually need a new PC to run and the limitations are completely artificial

  2. For many people, a ten years old PC is fast enough (or even faster than a brand new Intel N100 PC that is officially W11 compatible). They won't even notice that's something from 2015, as long it has a shiny new case, enough RAM and SSD

  3. Amazon doesn't care that the PC comes with pirated software, or that someone is scamming their customers, as long they get their 15% cut from marketplace sales (the cost of a genuine license of W11 pro and office exceeds the price of those ewaste specials)

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I thought all Lemmy users were running Linux?

[–] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

soon™️

[–] axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

and also Thinkpads?

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

OpenBSD too

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Folks, the sooner you dip your toe into Linux the better. Don't let these mega corps tell you how to use your own stuff. Buck the trends and break free.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been thinking about it, but I probably wouldn't be able to run my driving sim gear on it. I think I might get a cheap second-hand laptop to play around with it, though.

[–] JustARegularNerd@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That's the way I fully got into it - started off on an old laptop and ~~manifested~~ continued from there.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Idk about running sims, but I switched over a yearish ago. It was a release of anxiety I didn't even know I was carrying around with me. Just a break from the relentless capitalization and enshittification that windows jams down your throat at every given moment. It's so nice having a system that doesn't spy on me, does what I want when I want it, and never locks me out for any reason. I don't have to reset the privacy settings after every update. It works faster too. 10/10 recommend.

[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those are newer than the CPU I'm typing this on, they're not waste

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They dont officially support windows 11 and the avg users are not going to know any better. It's a grey area scam. They're not worth $400 at all.

But 1000% not waste to a tech person. My oldest machines right now we're decommissioned workstations with 8th gen i5s that I used for seedbox, DNS/pihole, proxmox, etc. they won't get windows installed and I'll drive them til they literally die. Backed up with veaam to a second truenas, easily swapped out and back up and running with any failure. I love older tech because it's cheap and as long as you know what you're doing, it works well.

[–] Nalivai@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Core i7-6700 with 32 gb ram isn't worth $400? Daymn, I'm due to upgrade then

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Lookup prices of ddr4, dirt cheap.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Those aren't eWaste. Those are Mint machines.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago

Not worth hundreds though

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 44 points 3 days ago (16 children)

I keep repeating this, my i5 750 (2009 pc), oc at 3.6ghz can do any fucking thing most people do with their computer. With a 1060 gpu, It plays like 90% of the games , I've made pro audio and video projects on it, even a small vr game.

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Yeah no, calling cap on that.

It'll run most indies and triple A game from 6-7y ago.

It'll be a real bottle neck for recent games. And especially for the only game that truly matters, rimworld.

I am running an n150 on a secondary mini pc. On paper it's twice as fast as your cpu. It drives me crazy how slow it can be at times when running multiple tabs or apps at the same time. You're delusional if you think your cpu is still up to snuff in 2025

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think people tend to forget that the vast majority of people don't even play games on their computer. Like when I mention this computer, I always get "Nah, this wont play Elden Ring at 4k 120 fps, just throw it to the garbage". But my parents, sisters, most of my friends dont give a damn about gaming. And this computer is definitely fast enough for all my personal gaming needs.

Another thing, is that gaming streaming services are now super efficient. I could literally play Doom the Dark Age at 1080p on Xbox Game pass with this PC, and I sometimes subscribe to PS+ to play Playstation exclusives.

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I still doubt it would be a pleasant experience. I only do office type work on the n150 device. It's still laggy AF compared to any modern mid-range cpu. (eg my i5 (?) 8600 at home, which is also already of respectable age, is a lot smoother for non-gaming use.)

But I guess your point (partially) stands, Johnny granddad won't notice when he checks the news and weather in the morning.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I suspect it's all the OS bullshit that makes you experience laggy. Obviously having an SSD and 8gb ram is essential. I made a super light install of Win 10 on my i5 750, years ago, and any office works is still 100% smooth on it. Even editing and mixing audio is not much different than on my M1 Max, I still open some old projects from time to time. I teach computer science in an audio engineering program, and I'm convinced that in the field of audio, we won the battle of computing power a very long time ago. On the other hand, for video processing, game engines, etc. it's another story. But in the field of sound, power gains are marginal these days.

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I ran Ubuntu and arch on it. The lag is noticeable even in Firefox with just 5-6 tabs open. 8GB ram and an ssd. Open multiple apps and it becomes very very noticeable.

Audio, sure, I have no experience with that, no argument from me there.

But you claimed your vintage cpu is enough for most people. Most people ain't audio engineers. Most people would immediately notice a smoothness difference between an m1 max and your vintage cpu. There is no way you don't notice a difference in (non audio maybe) regular browsing (not just one tab, but many) and multitasking, stop lying to win a useless internet argument.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

Dude, you're the one who wants to win an argument here. I use both computer daily. I also have an Amd 5950x, an i7 6700, a 2012 MB pro at my studio that I use a couple of times week. I'm not exactly a computer illeterate, it's part of my job to work on different systems I don't do a ton of multitasking on the i5, no need for 42 tabs open on a media and gaming system lol, but I can assure you if there's any lag on firefox with a few tabs open and an office suite running, it's not enough to bother the vast majority of people. Seriously I cant count the number of times I've add this discussions with "gamers" that believe they know everything about computers because they play AAA and upgrade their gpus every 2 years. I'm should really do a freaking video of my i5 doing the normal stuff people do and playing a few games, just so I can stop having this discussion lol. In the end, I dont care if you dont believe me, but you really should work on optimizing your system if you can't do normal stuff on it. Btw, if a computer is good enough for pro audio, it's good enough for browsing and office work lol.

[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

if it's anything like the Pentium g4560 it can absolutely play games, just not necessarily at good framerates nor AVX so star citizen is completely unrunnable. also Linux compile times suck

[–] firipu@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I didn't say you can't game on it. You just can't claim it can keep up with modern cpus.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, same. That was my first major PC build and it hit its threshold. I used the hell out of it for nearly 6 years, but no way it's playing new games with a 1060.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Generally agree but also consider power usage. Of course it also depends how often its powered on or not. If its used a lot then buying newer hardware may well be cheaper just in the energy saved, though if its off most of the time then its less of a concern.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

From a personal finance perspective, you need to consider the price of the new machine and the difference in the energy bill for the average time you would still be using your current machine until it doesn't work anymore.

From a sustainability perspective, you also need to consider the manufacturing impacts of the new machine in all the production chain and the energy used in that process (this is a concept called emergy). Maybe also the disposal process of the current one, if that's the case.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Energy to produce should already be represented in the price. Though pollution probably won't be.

[–] fading_person@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

It should, but when production is outsourced to different countries, with different regulations and with different currencies things get messy. Even worse when there's corruption involved along the chain.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I had a very similar PC. I think maybe slightly better. I ended up upgrading because the CPU was becoming more and more of a bottleneck. The roar was Elden Ring. The fps wouldn't go past about 20. Also some gaves are now being compiled against x64 v3 instructions (like Hell Divers 2 and Death Stranding) which there's literally no way of running on an old CPU since it doesn't have the instructions for it.

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[–] RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Switch to Linux and keep using your current computer. Tell Microsoft to pound sand.

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dont think the people buying these even know what linux is.

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[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 42 points 3 days ago

It's Amazon. Of course it's a scam. I always tell elderly people it's a criminal enterprise scamming old people when they ask about it.

[–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 31 points 2 days ago (8 children)

... a ten years old PC is...

... that's something from 2015, ...

Oh my! 2015 was 10 years ago?

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[–] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 61 points 3 days ago (5 children)

It's not actually eWaste you can buy a TPM chip for it, or ya know Linux.

[–] Moonrise2473@feddit.it 60 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Windows 11 doesn't actually need the tpm. They just check: "oh it's Intel 6th gen, it's trash from the last decade, sorry incompatible ewaste, buy a new one"

Intel 6th gen + tpm chip = still "incompatible"

Their marketing told us the lie "it needs tpm and secure boot" but they actually check if it has introduced to the market after 2018 or not

In those units the scammer patched the install image to install without the check. Who buys this will get a surprise when in the next months the next update comes out and refuse to install (25h1?)

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

This is so wrong

  • Windows 11 requires 8th gen Intel or newer. You can bypass it but you lose official support and more importantly things will break down the line.

  • Those listing are not what I would call "full price"

  • You can buy a old 8th gen Intel system off of eBay for less than 100€

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile I am waiting to buy a good "unsupported by Windows 11" PC cheap this October.

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