Googling didn't reveal any useful answer, did anybody know it has an article about what's the advantage of matter vs mqtt?
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Do you mean Matter vs Zigbee? Matter and MQTT are totally separate things.
Ok, now I'm completely out. From the phrasing "matter over threads" I concluded that matter is the protocol and threads the RF Standart?!
finally!! :D
Man there are way too many IoT standards. What's the difference between these two? How do they each compare to Matter?
Thread is a wireless standard meant to sit next to Bluetooth and WiFi.
Matter is a home automation protocol can that be used over Thread or WiFi. Ideal Matter devices use Thread instead of WiFi because running a bunch of home devices like light bulbs or switches on your WiFi is a recipe for disaster.
Matter is important because it provides native compatibility among different platforms.
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An important difference between thread and zigbee/wi-fi I'm not seeing mentioned is that all thread devices automesh in a hub/spoke model as long as they're not battery powered. So your light bulbs, plugs, etc all become extenders and part of a self healing mesh network without a single point of failure. For me it works better than Zigbee for this reason.
Zigbee does that too tho, right?
The wiki on zigbee says so at least
Pretty sure than an underlying feature of both zigbee and zwave.
They're different in their implementation. Zigbee automesh is more of a centralized router-hub model with self healing relying on routing tables. This caused significant issues for me. Thread is true automesh with all devices acting as a hub in a hub/spoke model, so there's no centralized routing table to act as a single point of failure.
I exclusively use ZigBee. It automeshes.
Thread also works on the 2.4 GHz range but can utilize sub ranges of 868 in Europe and 915 in north America. The 868 and 915 GHz ranges are what LoRa operates on and provides a much greater range for low data rate transmissions.
In fact Meshtastic operates on LoRa on 915 here in the U.S. and I have a node in my second floor window with a 3db antenna and I have been able to message both ways up to 3 blocks away.
Long story short, utilizing 868 and 915 in these devices will make dead spots a thing of the past within a home, even with their lower gain internal antennas.
Thread is a network layer thing, comparable to WiFi or Bluetooth. Matter is an application later thing, comparable to HomeKit or Google home.
Zigbee is both network and application layer.
This article has a decent overview https://www.smarthomeperfected.com/zigbee-vs-thread/
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I am pretty happy with zigbee so far. Is that a good thing? I haven‘t done anything with matter so far.
- Thread and Zigbee use the same physical layer and MAC layer (IEEE 802.15.4), so in most case it can use the same hardware and just with different firmware (if manufacturer want).
There is even a project to run both Zigbee coordinator and Thread border router on the same chip. It works! Although it causes some issue so Home Assistant no longer recommand this "multiprotocol" way, but this is a strong demonstration of the interchangeability between Zigbee and Thread. - Thread Group members is almost the same companies who found Connectivity Standards Alliance (former Zigbee Alliance). When Connected Home over IP (CHIP) project was renamd to Matter at 2019, they create Thread Group to unify the home connectivity: Only use one network layer named IPv6 and one application layer named Matter. Zigbee can't reach this target since it use its own network layer and application layer. So they invent Thread, which still based on IEEE 802.15.4, but with IPv6 as network layer and can transport Matter on it.
It's just a technological step forward. Thread was designed from the ground up as an IPv6 protocol. Honestly, this kind of move is coming later than would have been ideal, given the massive growth in IoT devices.
Yeah so far it doesn't matter because zigbee and zwave still work fine.
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Crap. I use pretty much exclusively Ikea stuff with my Home Assistant
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It makes sense. Hopefully it's more reliable than my Zigbee devices. I constantly have to power cycle devices made by a variety of manufacturers to get them to register again. And I've tried more than a few zigbee hubs. Can't say I'm a fan.
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Isn't the HA cloud dongle able to do both because they're on the same 2.4 gigahertz or whatever?
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xkcd 927 in action right there.
Zigbee works just fine, but needs a hub to share out devices eg internet access or HomeKit. But it is quick. How thread compares remains to be seen.
Remains to be seen? What other information are you waiting for?
I’ve been using Thread devices for ~5 years now.
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