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I don't get why something like Mesa even exists. Like, what even is the moment where pulling out your Mensa card is a good idea?
Assuming you are inteligent, you should know that flashing a card from a gatekept "clever people" club will probably not impress many people, just like you should recognize that the test you did doesn't mean shit and IQ is not a good way how to measure people.
Yeah, no one "flashes a Mensa card" unless they are a jerk. We joined many years ago when we lived in Iowa for the social aspect. The parties are a lot of fun and the people are all fascinating. Not all people you want to spend time with, but fascinating. We let our memberships lapse when we moved back to Colorado.
Nearly universally, Mensans recognized that IQ is only measure of how well you do on an IQ test (which, as you may know, was never intended as a test for the upper end, only to find students who needed intervention) or the other allowed tests.
There were materially successful people and not, socially adept and not. People we learned to avoid and people who became friends. Cringe and connection.
I suppose it is like any other social club where you have something in common with the additional kicker that people were not holding back in conversation. You had the chance to rapidly be humbled in that case if you went on at length about some favorite topic only to find out the person you were talking to was an expert in it.
Plus there were cool speakers and field trips. "Dumb things smart people do" was one of our favorites.
At a guess? Smart people like validation too; and are just as vulnerable to manipulation that uses it. Potentially even more vulnerable, in fact.
The answer is yes
if anyone wants the link https://redlib.catsarch.com/r/mensa/comments/1ci8rdx/do_ultra_high_iq_people_like_big_booty_latinas/
I wish I could remember the story but there was a guy that joined Mensa so he could con people. It worked too which rather seems to suggest that the entry requirements are not all that stringent.
Isn't mensa sort of a con itself?
Or IQ is a useless measure
IQ is absolute nonsense that tells you literally nothing about intelligence or anything of the like.
Don't let you convince yourself of something just because you want to believe it's true. IQ is not an objective measurement of intelligence, but it isn't completely useless either.
It's a very good measure if you want to predict how well people will do on IQ tests.
It gives you a good indication of their mental speed and memory.
It is poor at measuring specific abilities or wisdom.
Or computational intelligence isn't the same thing as skepticism
Or everyone is vulnerable to con games
... Or wisdom.
And over-identifying woth it is something arrogant shit heads who are easy to con do.
Unlike me. I'm better than that.
Wpuld you like to join my new society of people who are two smart to show off their IQ? You get a cool badge you can show people
Obviously.
Im in!
I think their entry requirements are doing exactly what they're supposed to.
The problem is that intelligence, even if we could measure it correctly, doesn't and shouldn't imply what a person knows, nor their experiences and the wisdom that they carry.
Someone can be learned with a low IQ. Someone can be wise and similarly low IQ. In the same way, someone with a high IQ can be unwise.
The problem with having only one individual metric for a group which believes themselves to compose the smartest people, is that they're arrogant. I know plenty of people who are so extremely intelligent that I am certain that they could be a part of Mensa; yet, they are not. When they looked into it, they decided it would be unwise to become a member, given the requirements and the attitudes of, and about, the group.
Hell, there's a decent chance I could get in. I've never tried and I don't care to, for all the same reasons, so I would never know if I could "make it" or not.
Their arrogance and hubris is their undoing.
Mensa is for people who grew up in gifted programs being told that they will achieve greatness just because of the one test they scored hight on, and then they amounted to nothing, so they need a place where they can tell each other that they are unsuccessful only because they are so much smarter than everyone else around them.
High IQ people who manage to do something with their life usually have more to be proud of than an IQ test they took decades ago.
Apparently ultra-high-IQ people like to use comma splices too.
Probably a language thing too. In German, for example, comma splices are grammatically correct.
Comma splices are good!
As a big booty latino I feel both interested and offended by this.
Also, don't take our big booty latinas pls. We need them for .
I'm still wondering what mensa means.. I thought it was a like a flat hill.
I think it means table.
Mesa is a flat hill.
Mensa describes itself as a "High IQ Society". Essentially, anyone who scores well on an IQ test can join, and they have plaques, membership cards, and such they give out. As far as I know, the whole point of Mensa is to say you're smart enough to be in Mensa.
Ah, never bothered taking an IQ test, seemed like a waste of time. Thanks for the response!
mensa actually means dumb in spanish!
Go find yourself an IQ 300 mensa nerd. They need you
A reddit mod for a mensa sub sounds like possible the most insufferable combination imaginable
If you happened to have an unusually high IQ, why you would you choose to join Mensa, or be a moderator on Reddit for that matter?
The smartest thing you can do is obfuscate your level of intelligence, not brag about it. That's just how you end up doing more work and getting blamed by everyone around you.
Eh, intelligence is fluid and the whole concept of a single IQ score is broken. Someone with a high IQ can be real-world dumb and someone bad at school math can become a genious engineer. And both can be equally good or bad at politics. It's all just skills. What matters is mental flexibility (how well you halves are connected) and a healthy image of self and others.
As long as you try to keep a flexible viewpoint and to experience new things now and then, you're doing more for your skull muscle than most.
Edit: ok, training your visual-conceptual imaginative power seems to be beneficial overall.
As far as I can tell, most people out there have expectations about high IQ people which are straight out of Hollywood films and wholly unrealistic, so best just leave then with whatever de facto impression of brightness they have about you than mention a number and trigger the "Mental Superman" expectations.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule "the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is" - if you're really that bright, brave, strong, beautiful, confident and so on, there is no need to mention it since it's generally obvious to others.
Also going around parading your IQ falls straight into the rule “the more a person brags about some great personal quality, the less strong it is”
Or it's your only quality. The main reason to join Mensa is that you haven't accomplished anything better since the IQ test you took as a youth.
As I see it, that's both a problem of low self-confidence and passiveness (or maybe underdeveloped values).
For the first, we all have several qualities, but people often don't recognize or value certain qualities, especially people driven mainly by what they think others value and hence who end up valuing pretty much just the qualities modern Society focuses on - namely Wealth, Beauty and Brains - which is a typical low self-confidence thing.
For the rest, as I see it, having some inherent quality that one was born with isn't exactly something deserving of much pride because it's not something one did anything to achieve. If that much one's parents deserve the recognition for the "achievement", though they didn't actually do it on purpose, so maybe not even them. Having pride in being born with a high IQ makes about as much sense as having pride in being born in a rich family: it's masturbatory ego stroking about one's luck rather than a celebration of one's successes.
Obfuscate your intelligence? Being a reddit mod sounds like it's part of the plan, then.
Oh snap, you're right. It's like a 200 IQ move. 😂