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An international (English speaking) socialist Lemmy community free of the "ML" influence of instances like lemmy.ml and lemmygrad. This is a place for undogmatic shitposting and memes from a progressive, anti-capitalist and truly anti-imperialist perspective, regardless of specific ideology.

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0. Only post socialist memes


That refers to funny image macros and means that generally videos and screenshots are not allowed. Exceptions include explicitly humorous and short videos, as well as (social media) screenshots depicting a funny situation, joke, or joke picture relating to socialist movements, theory, societal issues, or political opponents. Examples would be the classic case of humorous Tumblr or Twitter posts/threads. (and no, agitprop text does not count as a meme)


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(Please take a look at our wiki page for the guidelines on how to actually write alternative text!)

We require alternative text (from now referred to as "alt text") to be added to all posts/comments containing media, such as images, animated GIFs, videos, audio files, and custom emojis.
EDIT: For files you share in the comments, a simple summary should be enough if they’re too complex.

We are committed to social equity and to reducing barriers of entry, including (digital) communication and culture. It takes each of us only a few moments to make a whole world of content (more) accessible to a bunch of folks.

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When writing stuff like "lol" and "iirc", it's a good idea to try and replace those with their all caps counterpart

  • ofc => OFC
  • af = AF
  • ok => OK
  • lol => LOL
  • bc => BC
  • bs => BS
  • iirc => IIRC
  • cia => CIA
  • nato => Nato (you don't spell it when talking, right?)
  • usa => USA
  • prc => PRC
  • etc.

Why? Because otherwise (AFAIK), screen readers will try to read them out as actually words instead of spelling them


1. Socialist Unity in the form of mutual respect and good faith interactions is enforced here


Try to keep an open mind, other schools of thought may offer points of view and analyses you haven't considered yet. Also: This is not a place for the Idealism vs. Materialism or rather Anarchism vs. Marxism debate(s), for that please visit c/AnarchismVsMarxism.


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That means condemning (their) imperialism, even if it is of the "anti-USA" flavor.


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That includes so called: Social Democracy, Democratic Socialism, Dengism, Market Socialism, Patriotic Socialism, National Bolshevism, Anarcho-Capitalism etc. . Anti-Socialist people and content have no place here, as well as the variety of "Marxist"-"Leninists" seen on lemmygrad and more specifically GenZedong (actual ML's are welcome as long as they agree to the rules and don't just copy paste/larp about stuff from a hundred years ago).


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The only dangerous minority is the rich.


5. Don't demonize previous and current socialist experiments or (leading) individuals.


We must constructively learn from their mistakes, while acknowledging their achievements and recognizing when they have strayed away from socialist principles.

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[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yo, please add alt text to this or future posts (since this one is a bit older). See rule 0.5 in the sidebar

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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 35 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Honestly I think we could actually modify the existing system into a form of at least market socialism relatively simply, at least compared to the complexity involved in rebuilding everything from scratch.

The way that modern capitalism is designed, the rich don't usually directly own the means of production, instead the factories and tools and infrastructure and such are owned by companies, which then funnel wealth to whoever owns those companies. Further, the companies are conveniently divided up into shares that allow for fractional ownership, and are generally controlled by people appointed by the owners of those shares.

It seems to me that, this means that companies are effectively proxies for the means of production, if you own then you own those means, and so if what you primarily want is for the workers to own the means of production, you don't need to figure out new ways to organize the labor done in complex projects or industries or have a central state own everything "for" that workforce, you could just seize the shares of those companies, and distribute them among the people that work there, for as long as they work there (basically just mandate that all businesses bigger than a small family operation be employee co-ops), and leave the everyday structure of the economy that people are familiar with relatively intact.

This wouldn't solve everything, a social media company for example is still going to be incentived to promote engagement and ad revenue even if owned by it's employees, and it would need to be combined with a robust democratic system or else political elites can use their power to change the rules to take wealth for themselves again, but at the very least greatly reducing wealth inequality should help with a lot of things.

[–] 0ops@piefed.zip 20 points 2 weeks ago

Nothing to add really, just that I agree with every single word of this. Expanding unions and coops is a much more realistic way of transferring power to the working class that can happen right now, as opposed to pushing for a total revolution and hoping we're lucky enough to come out on top. We don't even have to use the s-word, just try to go out of your way to do business with employee-owned businesses.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

This wouldn't solve anything though, apart from slightly improving the amount of surplus value workers get back from their labor. Call that which you propose in any way you want, but it's still capitalism - the mode of for-profit production remains the same, goods are produced as commodities to be sold on the market, wage labor remains fully intact (which implies labor exploitation) and so does capital accumulation meaning you'll still have capital concentration, and given how it's still capitalism, all of its contradictions remain such as overproduction that cause regular crises.

The kind of reform such as this one wouldn't even have the advantage of being "easily, peacefully implemented" given how it would take away the ownership from the current capitalists, who currently hold the class dictatorship reigns. A revolution would be needed, but at that point it'd be better to change the present state of things entirely.

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[–] WillStealYourUsername@piefed.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Why are there so many liberals in lefty memes. And why don't any of them know what socialism is.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Browsing all, mostly Americans

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

To be fair, most leftists also don't know what socialism is lmao

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Capitalism is working so good that capitalists are the most consistently class conscious group. They are aware which class they belong to and side with it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

It feels more like people gravitate towards the "winning" team because they have the lion's share of resources and commensurate status.

Billionaires are broadly class conscious, but they routinely feud and back stab one another in pursuit of primacy. Organizations have their own internal politics. People are regularly promoted and ousted as economic conditions shift and ideology drifts. Just ask any status climbing POC who had the ladder kicked out from under them in the name of DEI. Or any "Big Balls" DOGE teen who finds himself the de facto executive of a multi-billion dollar USAID program.

I would say the starkest shifts in Trumpian politics are the ways in which he's redefining winners and losers in the domestic economy. Finance is out. Silicon Valley is in. Not all plutocrats are created equal.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I’m not sure what system would work. The problem is people. Once the wrong people are in charge, they’ll ignore or break laws with impunity.

Capitalism has definitely proven that it’s not the answer, though.

[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

People are shaped largely by material conditions of our world, and liberalism does encourage horrible qualities that we can see doing active harm today such as individualism, competitivism, selfishness, greed, dogmatism, etc. A great proof of this is looking at today's tribes that still exist and see how they behave much differently than us in the civilized world - they put more emphasis on community, mutual survival rather than individual property ownership.

Therefore, the goal is not to refuse change because "human nature" or whatever, but change material conditions of our world to change our behaviors and values as well. Kind of a catch 22 situation, but given how we transformed our "nature" over the tens of thousands of years constantly it is possible.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Anarchism avoids this problem by putting no one in charge

[–] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

But that's how we started. How are you gonna stop the people that then gather and creates groups with leaders that ravage the land like the golden horde?

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's also a terrible argument since hunter gatherer societies largely avoided conflict due to humans being so sparse. It was simply much, much, easier to move on than to fight prior to the agricultural revolution.

Meanwhile we have archeological evidence of subsistence marauders from the stone age. They found a village that lacked contemporary agriculture. It also had a mass grave of victims who had been killed violently but their deaths spanned over a decade.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I recommend you read this: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/crimethinc-frequently-asked-questions-about-anarchism#toc7

More specifically,

But if we overthrow the government without offering something to take its place, what’s to stop something really nasty from filling the power vacuum?

That’s the mantra of those who are working up the nerve to be really nasty themselves. The really ruthless usually tell you that they are there to protect you from other ruthless people; often, they are telling themselves the same thing.

If we were powerful enough to overthrow one government, we would be powerful enough to prevent the ascendance of another, provided we weren’t tricked into rallying around some new authority. What should take the place of the government is not another formalized power structure, but cooperative relationships that can meet our needs while keeping new would-be rulers at bay.

From the vantage point of the present, no one can imagine creating a stateless society, though many of the problems we face will not be solved any other way. In the meantime, we can at least open spaces and times and relations outside the control of the authorities.

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Okay, but weapons exist. Any country that declared that it had no government would be taken over in less time than it’s taking me to type this (granted, I’m on a phone, but still).

The Dispossessed by Ursula K. Le Guin is a great book that explores an anarchist society. It works because the anarchists are on an unwelcoming moon with very few resources.

[–] releaseTheTomatoes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Okay, but weapons exist. Any country that declared that it had no government would be taken over in less time than it’s taking me to type this.

Zapatistas seem to doing a good job.

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[–] releaseTheTomatoes@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Anarchism isn't about pretending harm doesn’t exist either. The people that want to do real harm and will cause harm (will in bold because it's important to distinguish people who want to do harm and people who will do harm) can just as easily get into positions of power in our current system. Most people don’t want chaos, so why should we organize society around the assumption that we need rulers to prevent it? Basic morals are very, very easy for a super majority of a society to get behind.

Bad actors will mess up any polity, to any degree. That's not a unique fault of anarchism, my friend.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Weapons exist for both sides :)

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (25 children)

Correction: Anarchism avoids this problem by putting everyone in charge. It's not an arrangement in which nobody is empowered, it is an arrangement in which everyone is empowered.

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[–] AsyncTheYeen@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Capitalist democracy is not real democracy and you know it! Stop pretending this system works!

Reminder to the liberals here: If you bash actural leftists for being leftists you are in fact a right winger, furthermore if you are not an actural leftist you are a centrist at best.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

"Capitalism is broken but we can fix it"

The proposed fix: more deregulation, less tax for the rich, removal of "wokeness" from society altogether.

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago (47 children)
[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

A system where:

  • Goods are produced to fulfill human needs via the help of central planning as opposed to commodity production where the "invisible hand of the market" dictates what to produce

  • Goods get distributed to fulfill needs rather than "rationed" through universal commodities like money

  • Private ownership gets abolished which gets rid of the parasitic class that extracts value out of land/labor

A system where the entire mode of production changes, and the present state of things gets abolished aka communism/communist mode of production though most of these core points that I outlined (it's not everything) can also apply to anarchism.

It's easy to write these ideas off as "having provably failed" given the history, but failures at building communism have nothing to do with these economic aspects or "human nature" or whatever, but rather political and material situations. USSR didn't achieve communism because of majority of its population being peasants as opposed to urban proletariat, and you can't really fulfill the needs of people if you haven't developed the productive forces to produce said needs, and if you stay on capitalism long enough, you'll start getting opportunists who want personal power and wealth.

Other post-Stalin regimes that called themselves communist (such as Vietnam, Cuba) only did so to gain protection from the Capitalist west given their ex-colony status, so they adopted Marxist-Leninist aesthetics to gain the protection of USSR - materially, they weren't communist at all though given their repression of the workers and independent labor unions, mode of production remaining capitalist and class divisions still going strong.

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

Public ownership of the means of production with the suppression of the owning/capitalist class until all capitalist nation state have been destroyed and we can have a socialist world republic, duh

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You know communism of some form obviously private ownership of the means of production is self evidently bad for humanity and the planet in general.

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