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According to videogame patent lawyer Kirk Sigmon, the USPTO granting Nintendo these latest patents isn't just a moment of questionable legal theory. It's an indictment of American patent law.

"Broadly, I don't disagree with the many online complaints about these Nintendo patents," said Sigmon, whose opinions do not represent those of his firm and clients. "They have been an embarrassing failure of the US patent system."

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[–] CubitOom@infosec.pub 128 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (9 children)

I can't wait to play Elden Ring 2 when it's made by Nintendo because Elden Ring used summoning and now only runs at 12 fps.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 67 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Nintendo also owns the rights to platformers, racing games, and rpgs. Tough luck, that's just how it is.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

NPC dialogs? Owned by Nintendo too.

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 7 points 2 weeks ago

Did you pay for that parent use?

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 105 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I can't support Nintendo.

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 87 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

death to intellectual property

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[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 77 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

An embarrassing failure describes the US quite well actually. Also fuck Nintendo. Don't give them your money.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 64 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

I'm going to patent electrons passing through a xor gate

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago

You can get a licence from Nintendo if you like.

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can probably get away with it if you write it in a confusing enough fashion; but you need to make it really confusing - to the point even CPU architecture experts could miss it unless they pay very close attention; and remember that the claims - which are the only part of the patent that has any legal meaning - may be limited by law to a single sentence each, but there is no limit on how cumbersome each sentence is; additionally, semicolons are not sentence terminators; this means that this entire comment I just wrote is technically a only one sentence.

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[–] zrst@lemmy.cif.su 62 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Copyright and patent laws need to die.

Anyone who doesn't understand this is a useful idiot.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (44 children)

Current system is obviously broken, but you don't believe that artists and creators should have a right to control their intellectual property at all?

And yes, intellectual property is real whether you want it to be or not. And it's not necessarily about money, but about controlling what can be done with your work.

For example, Bruce Springsteen should 100% be allowed to tell Trump to fuck off and stop using his music at rallys.

What would be the mechanism to do that without IP?

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Personally I don't have an issue with individual intellectual property, it's the acquisition and trade of it by corporations that I have an issue with. For example, I believe no copyright should last after the creator's death. Disney is dead, Tolkien is dead, many musicians are dead, let alive creators contribute to their worlds.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (28 children)

I do believe that.

Intellectual property leads to all kind of unfairness. It should be normalized that artist would be paid for the work done, nor for property ownership.

This adds to some other believes about people shouldn't be paid just for "property ownership".

And once the art is done and released is part of human race, that does include terrible human beings, but it also includes absolutely everyone else.

Some other argument for this... For instance, being an artist is one of the jobs with biggest pay disparity, from the poorest of them all to some of the richest. That's a normal output of basing income on property ownership, things snowball once you have enough property.

I don't think there's a way to make private property (physical or intelectual) work in a fair economy. And remember, private property is not the same as personal property, just in case.

I do think the world of art would get much better and more diverse if we got rid of property as a way to measure revenue and put work in the center as a way to measure how much we should pay each artist.

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[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No, they have utility as people shouldn't be able to rip off other teams work as that disincentivizes any product research , innovation or the ability to sustain yourself based on sales of your art.

The only thing idiotic is the notion that these systems need to die rather than be refined.

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They don't seem to be protecting creators from getting their work subsumed by AI, so they're clearly not fit for purpose. But I do think there needs to be some protection for artists and creators, it's just that either the present laws are shit or the courts can be bought.

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[–] tekato@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago

Capcom should start their patent for 2D fighting games and see what happens to Super Smash Bros

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 50 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The USPTO is notorious for granting insane patents knowing they are invalid or too vague and expect the court system to be the final arbiter. It’s almost as if they like stirring shit up for there own amusement.

[–] zrst@lemmy.cif.su 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'd wager these video game illiterates look at 1 thing: do they recognize the name of the company?

If the answer to that is 'yes,' then they will give that company whatever they want. If the answer is 'no,' then you're fucked.

[–] zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The US patent system IS a colossal failure, of course it spits out failures

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[–] Wilco@lemmy.zip 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone in the patent office got bribed.

[–] AngryRobot@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This entire regime is for sale. Top to bottom.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Get ready for "anti-woke" Nintendo games!

[–] EldenLord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Get ready for whatever this is

[–] normalexit@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm fully stopped. Now what?

[–] pipe01@programming.dev 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] addie@feddit.uk 6 points 2 weeks ago

The time for "collaborate and listen" has passed. Now, the time for Nintendo to bring down hammer go hammer mc hammer yo hammer and the rest can go and play has arrived.

[–] mx_smith@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

“They have been an embarrassing failure of the US ~~patent system.~~ “ seems like a trend these days

[–] livejamie@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm surprised that Palworld was even able to release, honestly.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What's frustrating is that the thing that is arguably questionable (the art of some of the characters) isn't what is the subject of anything. Nope. Ball throwing.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Why? Anybody who's played it knows it only has a passing resemblance to Pokémon. Once you play the game, you realize how different it is in its mechanics and story from pokemon.

Nintendo doesn't own the idea of monster taming. The idea predates their company by quite a bit actually.

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