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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards

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Ok, on a thread about how psychiatric hospitals are getting gobbled up by private equity, and treatment standards are plummetting, I say, that if you actually wanna stop this, you have to overthrow the government and abolish corporations, otherwise, you're complicit.

Unfortunately, I did not have the opportunity to get into a discussion about tacit vs explicit consent to be governed, or anything like that.

Here's the post url again:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/46618629

But uh, yeah, jawbone all you like, don't change nothin' in a fascist state.

So, then after a brief exchange, where I remind pele that his retort he tried on me last time I said something like that of 'Where are you from / You're not American', I remind him of the last time we danced that dance.

Here's that older exchange, for context:

https://sh.itjust.works/post/45775934/20923933

He then thanks me for that reminder, deletes my original comment, bans me from his comm.

Problem: He banned me for "rule 5, promoting violence".

Here's rule 5 on the sidebar:

Here's the instance rules:

Nothing about advocating violence.

I would also go so far as to say that uh, he intervened and made an uncivil comment.

... Am I... missing some hidden rules... somewhere?

Also... did I explicitly promote violence?

By saying:

"Overthrow the government. Abolish corporations."

???

Is it impossible to do many nonviolent things to pressure a regime to change, a major policy to be reworked, with a sufficient amount of people?

Anyway, yep, there we go, I submit this to the evaluation of fellow m@teys and any other interested passersby.

bonus

pele, if you show up here, I Iiterally do not care what you have to say, I have blocked you to improve my lemmy experience.

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[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh you don't wanna do that? You're complicit.

Libs don't want to accept this- painting it as an uncivil attack relieves them of the cognitive dissonance such thoughts cause them. Banning someone to resolve your own insecurity is obv PTB territory

I do feel like you should know better than to say that, unprompted, directly to a lib mod tho, so it's at least a little bit BPR imo

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago

... That seems fair.

In a tepid half defense of BPR: I didn't realize I was in pele's comm, that he moderates.

I... didn't realize he was a mod untill he banned me.

I don't have the best eyes, and I lost my glasses a while back... I just saw his name in blue, figured that meant he was the OP or it was his lemmy birthday,.not the mod.

I don't really have a filter, I tend to just be me, and then some people have problems with this, and apparently, sometimes they are mods and I am in their comm.

So... oops, on that front, but I also don't care to self censor for... anyone, really.

Like I said, tepid, half defense, haha.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

'Surviving within a context means you are personally at fault.'

'Damn, why don't these stupid powerless libs we blame for everything rush to the ideology we take for granted? We're on their side!'

[–] TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Sorry, was all that talk about class just roleplay?

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Pretty sure it's more the 'or you're complicit.' Eye-rolling behavior. Even in the rare cases where it's justifiable - not this one - that rhetoric does not work. If you give a shit about the impact your words have on people, you have to not do that.

In context, you said, if you don't help me attack the people in power, you are among the people who must be attacked. I can see a moderator weighing the letter of the rules versus the spirit of the rules, at length, and finally sighing and clicking 'I don't want to deal with this.' It shouldn't be permanent because almost no bans should be permanent. But 'take up arms or you're a Nazi' is big talk crossing any unwritten "come the fuck on" rule.

Unwritten rules are fine. This isn't a court of law. It's an internet forum. The whole reason we have human moderators, and care who they are, is because rigidly defining shitty behavior is fundamentally impossible. See any community that's fallen for the cult of civility. Some places think being a polite Nazi is fine, but 'fuck off, Nazi' is intolerant and intolerable. Reasonable moderation requires reasonable moderators... reasoning about things. Any form of 'you're with me or you're with the devil!' can make them go, ugh, next.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

In context, you said, if you don't help me attack the people in power, you are among the people who must be attacked.

Nope.

You are reading in hostility and violence where there is none.

I am just as complicit as anyone else not doing everything they can to overturn or at least greatly modify a system.

You are right though, that I don't give a shit about you or anyone elses insecurities more than any other particular person.

Everyone has them.

Most people just aren't very honest about them.

And then they read in hostility into what could be read as simply criticism, with no intent to cause personal harm behind it.

I will again note that I did not explicity call for any violence.

I did not call for anyone, any person, to be attacked.

You just read that in, made up some context in your head, assumed it was in the text.

It wasn't.

Just like I did not say 'if you are not with me, you are the devil.'

Like I said earlier... I am just as complicit as probably everyone else reading this.

I am just more aware that I am complict, have accepted that I am, and am trying to spread this awareness to others.

I do not think I, or anyone else, is 'the devil'.

However, in my view, if you cannot accept your complicity, if a community can't... then they are in the cult of civility, as you put it.

Polite Nazis, as you put it.

Or at the very least, people who are polite to Nazis.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I will again note that I did not explicity call for any violence.

Explicitly.

I can commit outright felonies, stating my sincere opinions, without explicitly calling for violence.

People inferring meaning from the things you write is not some failure of honest comprehension. It's a necessary skill we bring to every online interaction. And it's not some "resting bitch font" situation, where a completely innocuous statement was twisted beyond recognition; you called people complicit for not overthrowing the government.

Complicit. Guilty. Criminal. Directly to blame for the worst abuses of a system clearly gone pear-shaped, because they don't agree with your exact solution to the problems they plainly oppose.

You are calling people polite Nazis for not being 100.0% onboard with your specific political beliefs. Fuck off, guy. Regardless of what those beliefs are.

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And it’s not some “resting bitch font” situation, where a completely innocuous statement was twisted beyond recognition

resting bitch font, I’m dyin 🤣

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Came to mind after this baffling exchange.

A dozen people had incompatible takes somehow agreeing I was an absolute bastard. 'Don't sneer about them being wrong!' I was agreeing with them. 'They refuted your argument!' They were agreeing with me. 'Be polite, not snide!' I thanked them? 'You're so mad at them!' Never.

The nature of bad faith is that there is no right answer.

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[–] Zomg@piefed.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

The broader meaning of their rule 5 of "be good to each other" and your comments make me think YDI.

Saying "but it doesn't say violence is against the rules" has the same energy as if you put a finger in front of their face and saying "I'm not touching you". You went against the spirit of the rule they banned you for.

Saying "yeah overthrow the government or your complicit" is so hostile to so many people. Even if you're right you were an asshole.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Overthrowing a government is not necessarily violent.

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[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

being nice to each other has nothing to do with violence directed at outsiders

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"each other" refrences a finite group, in this case everyone in the community. The rule does not apply to people definitively outside the community nor unkindness towards them.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Be excellent to each other."

'So the outgroup has no rights or moral value.'

I wanna throw you a monkey's paw, then sit back and watch.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is a wild leap to go from ‘we don’t have to be polite to politicians not present in the discussion’ to ‘kill all the others, they have no rights.’

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a wild leap to go from 'be kind, god dammit' to 'only people on this website count.' Fuck's sake, the expanded rule makes clear it's about vast groups. You gotta bend over backwards to insist 'each other' only means 'those present.'

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Never talking badly about anyone, anywhere sounds great for oppressors 🤷‍♂️

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 week ago

Never talking badly about assholes on this website isn't a great idea either.

I love paws, I hope it's soft

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I strongly disagree.

That rule lists a number of kinds of bigotries, hatreds and cruelties targeting specific groups of people.

Advocating violence is not the same thing as varying kinds of bigotries.

It can be an element of bigotry, but not necessarily.

I believe you've made a category error.


Your interpretation of Rule 5 is 'be good to each other'.

This is an interpretation.

It is not stated.

It would easy to state 'advocating violence' as another rule.

Beyond that, supporting a system that fails and harms people, as faceless machine, is not being good to each other.

Me pointing this out is not promoting violence.


I am autistic.

I generally do not read subjective meaning into things where there is no clear context to imply such a meaning.

I read what is written, and what those words mean.

I do not even attempt to follow rules that are not written, are not explicit.

If you think that people such as myself are assholes, and are hostile to so many people for stating objectvely true things, well then I guess you'll soon not have hear from people like me, as we will all be thrown into those woefully inadequate psychiatric systems.

But that'll be ok.

Because then you won't have to hear from with hostile assholes who don't want to be forcibly traumatized against their wills, and charged for that 'privelege'.

Or worse.


I would suggest you look up the history of aspergers, autism, and what the Nazis did to people they diagnosed with those.

Ableism. As part of their broader genocide.

[–] Zomg@piefed.world -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not going to go research Nazi and ableism. Its not relevant to your OP, you weren't banned because of ableism.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I was banned for stating what has to happen to prevent ongoing and worsening ableism.

If you don't care to learn about why that is the case, that that is what has to happen, then you have no conception of what ableism actually is, as exemplified by the literal Holocaust.

This further solidifies that your idea that 'I was banned for not being good to other people' is astonishingly hypocritical, conditional, selective, arbitrary and uninformed at best, outright duplicitous bad faith rhetoric at worse.

You are saying that I am not being 'good to people' by suggesting that people do what is historically required to be done avert a eugenics campaign, a genocide, against the mentally disordered... you are saying that is me being 'not good to people', by saying that if they do not do this, they are complicit in it.

You have this perfectly inverted, and you refuse to even attempt to learn that is the case.

I was banned for promoting effective anti-ableism, which was misconstrued as promoting violence.

[–] red_devel@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

They banned me last week for what I assume was voting and didn't even include a note 🍻

Blocked and blocked 🧹

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You said "overthrow the government." That is inherently a violent act. You also shifted blame for the actions of said government to anyone not actively partaking in previously the mentioned act. Additionally, "no calls for violence" is generally the kind of thing that shouldn't need to be explicitly written (a "don't drink the things you find under the sink" rule), but regardless, would easily be covered by "be excellent."

A permanent ban may not be called for, but overall, YDI.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So if you're living under a fascist regime, you claim that saying "overthrow the government" is a violent act and deserves sanction? U for real?

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

To "overthrow" something has an inherently violent undertone unless you're talking about literally throwing an object too far. Additionally, most public spaces don't enjoy being host to calls for violence or calls to bring down governments because things like that can easily result in sanctions against them. Passing blame to the people is also absurd, just as I don't blame all Jews for the actions of the Israeli government and I don't blame all Germans for the actions of the Nazis.

It seems like common sense to me that "Be excellent" would extend to things beyond the immediate list, and "Overthrow your government or you're a fascist," is not excellent.

In short, yes, overthrowing a government is inherently violent, no it is not inherently wrong, and yes, I believe it is fair a public space might not want to host that.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

A government overthrow is not inherently violent. This is an absurd take. "Violence" is against people not institutions (or windows)!

And no, it's not fair for a public political space to suppress anti-status-quo political statements.

Imagine living in the times of Nazi Germany, and you're the clueless monkey who praises newspaper editors taking down articles who claim the Nazi Germany government should probably be overthrown!

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

You’re kinda glossing over the idea that words have meaning.

You can say overthrow the government and mean it in a hyperbolic way where you are actually saying “organize and vote them out” BUT it also evokes images of violent overthrow.

It is illegal in many places to advocate for that.

Hosting that content in many places can make you responsible for it.

You don’t have to agree but you ought to at least be able to understand.

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[–] irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago

I overthrew the ball and it went over the backboard.

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