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[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 65 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (5 children)

I often hear AI enthusiasts say that AI democratized art. As if art weren't already democratized. Most anyone can pick up a pen, draw, write, type, move a mouse, etc. What AI democratizes in art, is the perception of skill. Which is why when you find out a piece of art was made by inputting some short prompt into a generator, you become disappointed. Because it would be cool, if the person actually had the skill to draw that. Pushing a few buttons to get that, not so much.

Edit:spelling and spacing

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

yeah that's like saying chatgpt democratized writing. no, you could always write. what's changed is now you can pretend you write, without writing.

[–] alternategait@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I have always felt that I'm not good at art (the practice I did got me not very far), and I've recently had reason to make little collages. One thing that I've done is uploaded pictures to Canva and traced them so I had something resembling recognizable images (my dog, me in a kayak). I don't think tracing is making an art, AI is definitely not making an art.

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Tracing is absolutely art. You choose what to trace what parts of the image are important what to discard etc.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Tracing in itself is a craft. The choices you're talking about cam be art, yes.

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[–] bcgm3@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

What AI democratizes in art, is the perception of skill.

I was a professional artist for many years, and often noted a strong preference for photo-realistic art among non-artists, often to the exclusion of any other style or aesthetic. The people around me who tried to draw or paint or sculpt, even just one time, often had an appreciation for a more diverse array of approaches and media.

To me, most AI 'art' feels like the product of 'artists' who don't even really like art.

[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

And people forget how many forms of art there are. If you can speak any language which if youre reading this you can then you can create art. Putting your feelings into words is art. The point of art is not to be good at it or to earn money with it. Its to express your feelings. Of course enabling people who express their feelings in a way that others like to earn money with it is a good thing but even that can be very restrictive. Look at all the twitter porn artists who really just want to create something else but need some sort of revenue stream.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

People confuse art and craft.

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think this is completely missing the point when it's talking about "the minutiae of art". It's making two claims at the same time: art is better when you suffer for it and the art is good whether or not you suffered. But none of that is relevant.

When Wyeth made Christina's World, I don't know if he suffered or not when painting that grass. What I do know is that he was a human with limited time and the fact that he spent so much of his time detailing every blade of grass means that he's saying something. That The Oatmeal doesn't draw backgrounds might be because he's lazy, but he also doesn't need them. These are choices we make to put effort in one part and ignore some other part.

AI doesn't make choices. It doesn't need to. A detailed background is exactly the same amount of work as a plain one. And so a generated picture has this evenly distributed level of detail, no focus at all. You don't really know where to look, what's important, what the picture is trying to say. Because it's not saying anything. It isn't a rat with a big butt, it's just a cloud of noise that happens to resemble a rat with a big butt.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

it's just a cloud of noise that happens to resemble a rat with a big butt.

I’d like this on my tombstone

[–] JargonWagon@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

Visitor to your grave: "...I need more context."
Your ghost: "It's about AI art."
Visitor: "...I still don't get it."
Ghost: "That's because you're a robot. Everybody's just robots now. Us ghosts are all that's left of humanity. All that you know is based on what we suffered to learn and create."
Robot visitor: "...but why a rat with a big butt?"
Ghost: "Draw one, and reflect on the cloud of noise that you produce instead."
Robot: *draws a rat with a big butt
Ghost: "...AI wasn't as good back then. Fuck you." *whisps away

[–] angrox@feddit.org 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What a beautiful read. I feel the same about AI art and I remember a longer talk I had with my tattoo artist: 'I need the money so I will do AI based tattoos my clients bring to me. But they have no soul, no story, no individuality. They are not a part of you.'

I feel the same.

Also I like Oatmeal's reference to Wabi Sabi: The perfection of imperfection in every piece of art.

[–] sthetic@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

At least by redrawing it, the tattoo artist is injecting (pun intended) some of the human skill and decision-making into it?

But, ugh! Who would get an AI tattoo?

And what's the point? Let's say I have an idea of a tattoo I want (Jack Sparrow, dressed in a McDonald's uniform, fighting off a rabid poodle, in the style of Baroque painting), but I cannot draw. So I use AI to render it, how clever!

But wait - a tattoo artist will be physically drawing it anyway. They know how to develop concepts into sketches, don't they?

Just get them to do it! Skip the pointless AI step!

[–] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 6 days ago

I appreciate this bit out of context:

Also loved the shoutout to Allie Brosh!

[–] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 14 points 6 days ago

"Yes, but I'll be quick, I promise."

Isn't quick.

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

As a passable quality 3D artist who does it for a living I've found AI art (which can do 3D now to some degree) has kind of narrowed the scope for me. If you want generic Unreal style pseudo-realism or disney toon then AI can do that for you* I've had to focus much more on creating a unique style and also optimizing my work in ways that AI just doesn't have the ability to do because they require longer chains of actual reasoning.

For AI in general I think this pattern holds, it can quickly create something generic and increasingly do it without extranious fingers but no matter how much you tweak a prompt its damn near impossible to get a specific idea into image form. Its like a hero shooter with skins VS actually creating your own character.

*Right now AI models use more tris to re-create the default blender cube than my entire lifetime portfolio but I'm assuming that can be resolved since we already have partially automated re-topology tools.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I was kinda against their argument at first, then I was with them and continued reading. But then they went into all sorts of detail, weighing pros and cons etc., and after reading more than half I evtl. gave up.

It seems all "why AI is bad" articles seem to go this way.

It seems all "why AI is bad" articles unwillingly even support the hype.

Fuck AI "art", it's not art you morons, it's automation, which takes away real people's jobs. The current implementations made by greedy companies also very obviously steal. 'nuff said.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago (7 children)

I know that art is an art of it's own and a way to express human creativity.

However people also complained once the loom was invented. It took lots of jobs.

The job argument is usually a stupid one.

The lack of creativity and quality is of course a much better argument against AI art.

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[–] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I forgot how loooong Oatmeal cartoons are. I don't think I have made it to the end of one in years.

[–] tym@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Wanna go ride a bicycle?

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