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[–] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago

Anything with "trump says" is garbage headlining

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

So Israel is pulling its people out of occupied territory, providing restitution for war crimes and trying and punishing war criminals then right? Right?!

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only the first of these are part of the agreement.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Arguably there are still Israelis occupying Palestinian territory, roving Israeli gangs just murdered a journalist in Gaza, let alone the wider palestine

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Those were Palestinians living in Gaza, Doghmush clan. This might be news to you but not all Palestinians in Gaza are happy with the way Hamas governs the area.

Now that Hamas has the ability again, they focus on oppressing Palestinians.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 2 points 1 day ago

Doesn't seem so cut and dry that the Doghmush are the victims in this one.

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Agree. It’s way too early for celebration

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmynsfw.com 15 points 2 days ago

Remember when he got covid?

I was happy, but not celebrating just yet

This is the same, although I think he's going to make everything worse for the Palestinians long-term

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Even 10 years may be too early to say that it's over but we may find out much earlier than this if the opposite is the case

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Without explaining details, I could see this go sideways so badly. I hope I'm not right.

[–] kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

The video with the bearded bellydancers is golden 👌

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just one more statement of his that will soon be proven wrong.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

We're talking about a ceasefire here, not peace. Trump is being dumb as usual.

I'd love for the ceasefire to actually succeed this time - hopefully perpetually, leading to actual peace.

But that wouldn't mean Palestine's plight is over - that would only be the beginning for seriously working on a two state solution. And not a master and a vassal state either.

Looking back almost a century, somehow I'm not too optimistic.

[–] SaraTonin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I didn’t stop and verify, but I’ve literally just seen a post on here which says that Israel has violated the ceasefire 3 days running at this point.

[–] krimson@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

War is done is more accurate. Goals achieved. Ready to build the next Dubai and make some rich people even richer.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

I hear the bones of women and children are great to build the foundations of tourist hotels on.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 14 points 2 days ago

In the same way the war was over in Western Europe when the Nazis occupied countries.

[–] ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This has been going on for many decades, it's not over.

[–] thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I'll believe it when I see it. I have no faith in Israel though.

[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This is just going to be another Korea. They still hate each other and the fighting will pick up again. History will repeat itself, etc.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago
[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"awaits release of hostages" is innacurate at best and a lie at worst.

It's a trade of hostages.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

20 on one side, ever half a million on the other.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

At least some of the hostages are still alive to be released.

[–] finitebanjo@piefed.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No thanks to Israel for bombing the shit out of them.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

They literally killed two waving white flags.

Like imagine you survive a bombing, get out, see you fellow soldiers flags, wave to them, and they shoot you.

What amazing that no one talking about it like it never happened...

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

1200 are not alive, they were massacred in a genocidal act by Hamas.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not what genocide is and doesn't account for how many Israel killed themselves to prevent being captured

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The reason your movement doesn't get credibility is because you can't recognize that massacring people because of their ethnicity (what Hamas did) is genocide. If you're claiming that Hamas didn't commit genocide while also claiming Israel has, that requires some serious mental gymnastics to reconcile. But you're not even trying to reconcile the discrepancy in how you consider the the actions of Hamas vs. how you consider the actions of Israel. You feel like if you just shout loud enough, engage in harassment campaigns to intimidate people from discussing the topic, you can control the narrative.

And you can control the narrative in small corners of the internet like this. But then what? You support a violent movement that tortures people to silence dissent. Do you ever ask "are we the baddies?" or do you continue down the dark path without questioning anything?

[–] dubyakay@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago

Israel has been exterminating Palestinians since the Nakba. This didn't start on October 7, 2023.

Maybe you should ask your last question from yourself.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 day ago

What's my movement?

So yes you don't actually know or want to acknowledge what genocide is.

Do you ever ask "are we the baddies?"

Mate I think you need to look in the mirror

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

The war in Gaza has ended and the Middle East is going to “normalize”, Donald Trump said on Sunday as he flew to Israel which was waiting for Hamas to release Israeli hostages as world leaders were gathering to discuss the next steps toward peace.

“The war is over, you understand that,” Trump told reporters onboard Air Force One as he began a flight from Washington DC to Israel.

Asked about prospects for the region, Trump said: “I think it’s going to normalize.“

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Far from over! The brothers, Isaac and Ishmael, regrouping to continue their family blood feud over dried rocks.

[–] Doorbook@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago

A person from ( Russia , Poland, USA , Iraq, Iran ) is not a brother to a person from Palestine.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

War is over

So said the speaker!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

Isn't Israel a compulsory-service country where all citizens spend a year training as a soldier? Its funny that they're called hostages when captured, not prisoners. Hostages are when you kidnap non-combatants like poor people living without secure food or water ... so exactly the opposite of what they're labeling captives by the invader or the impoverished civilian defenders.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The youngest Israeli hostage taken on 7th of October was less than a year old, I don’t think he already finished his compulsory military service.

Israel is doing despicable things, but let’s not pretend that Hamas is innocent.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

These are the civilian hostages taken by Hamas on the October 7th attack, not Israeli POWs.

[–] Billy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 days ago

I'll add that from what I've seen, about half of the Israelis get an exemption for various reasons.
(Physical or mental issues, religion - Muslims are exempted by default and almost all ultra-orthodox Jews, pacifists, etc)

[–] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago

Everything is bad faith.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 0 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Howany hostages has Israel released?

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

It says in the article.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Half a million to go.