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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 85 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That’s why the Heath secretary is blaming Tylenol AND circumcisions.

[–] Noja@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 weeks ago

They are incredibly stupid but if stupidity stops male genital mutilation it's a small win

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 37 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I took Tylenol after my circumscision; how am I not double autistic?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 42 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Two autisms cancel each other out because they have opposite polarities. It's basically some science.

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

So if they re-circumcised their penis then it's back to autism?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

The buff doesn’t stack.

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You are. Sorry to be the one to break the news.

[–] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's only of paracetamol is the analgesic used while chopping

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Looking back on medicine’s understanding of mental conditions, where things got lumped into ridiculous categories like “idiocy,” and then treated with lobotomies, it’s extremely easy to imagine that we are far from understanding it all.

[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 19 points 2 weeks ago

Idiocy is still a huge problem though.

[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 36 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Based on a couple responses, I think it is important to remember that science depends upon testing of hypotheses, no matter how "obvious" they may seem. We are not the armchair philosophers of yesteryear.

Now that we're starting to establish that autism may be a whole series of conditions, (which will still need further validation and hence more studies of the exact same thing) we can start identifying them in order to better understand them.

[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We are not the armchair philosophers of yesteryear.

Ironically, a big problem here is philosophical.

The autism spectrum was formed from reuniting different disorders and proposing a board neurodevelopmental category in which symptoms may vary widely from individual to individual. That was ontology informing nosology. Now we are seeking patterns again within this spectrum and finding a different number of them depending on which criteria we focus on. This is again a matter of abstract categorization, prioritizing some concepts over others, defining entities beforehand: philosophy again.

The latest study that was very popular found four categories considering age in which DSM-5 symptoms appear, and 'cluster' and severity of said symptoms. Those four categories still don't explain the PDA profile or the giftedness comorbidity that seems to actually change the cognitive patterns of classic ASD such as the preference for concrete thinking and the black and white (polarized) thinking, probably because behavioral and cognitive patterns weren't an important axis here.

Horribly said, the preliminary work in nosology is philosophical. I guess in all sciences. We often make our minds about what we are searching for before starting to empirically searching for it; and then the findings channel another series of scrambling concepts, updating hypothesis, etc.

Funnily enough, the philosophical weight only grows when the brain is part of the enigma (entire branches of philosophy dedicated to the "mind", the brain, etc.). Armchair philosophers' work again so that the field work is actually well designed/directed and meaningful in the ways we want it to be.

Let's not reduce the role philosophy has in current times, please.

[–] janNatan@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago

I was speaking of philosophy not as it is today, but as it was - a precursor to "science" before the word even existed.

Armchair philosophers are a historical creature - they sat in their armchairs and deduced how the world works without getting up from their chairs to test any of their assumptions.

The armchair philosophers I am talking about have little to nothing in common with modern philosophers.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

But, but but, what about Tylenol? /s

[–] frunch@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

That's it, next time i can't be bothered to make another uncomfortable phone call I'm using the Tylenol™ Defense®

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No shit sherlock.

Autism isn't one thing, it's an umbrella term for tons of different degrees and various behaviors that often overlap with and co-minging with other neurological conditions. Oftentimes it's barely differentiable.

[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 weeks ago

Almost like it's a spectrum. Wild idea, I know.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 27 points 2 weeks ago

How many autisms fit in one tylenol? How many vaccines in an autism?

[–] Cargon@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

We prefer the term Acetaminophen-Americans.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Me: I got my MMR boosted at 56, I take Tylenol, and I am circumcised. Now I have autism.

Friend: You had autism before.

Me: Oh! Right!

[–] eleitl@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Same thing with ADHD. There are at least two distinct subtypes, but likely more.

[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 2 points 2 weeks ago

And including CDS in the next DSM would help a lot. We need to identify people with the CDS profile as the things that work for them are (slightly) different from ADHD's.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 weeks ago

Too bad fash care about power and violent control, not science.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

There are many genes associated with autism, such as SCN2A, ANK2, and SHANK2. Any disruption to the gene expression of these genes can cause autistic traits. There are many diseases that disrupt these genes, and they can even have an effect after brain development.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 8 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Atkat@leminal.space 8 points 2 weeks ago

I see a lot of people pointing out how autism is a spectrum disorder, so it would have a bunch of different presentations already.

That's true of course, but spectrum disorders typically have a set of core symptoms, and regardless of your particular presentation you need to experience all or most of them to meet the criteria for an affirmative diagnosis.

For example, My partner and I both have ADHD; the two opposing classic "types", (inattentive and hyperactive). There are a number of symptoms that relate to his type that don't apply to me, and vice versa. We also have different ways we've grown up trying to compensate for our symptoms, so they have different effects on us.

Undeniably though, we both experience all 7 core symptoms.

If scientists are making this claim, they must be saying that their research on ASD suggests they found there to be no definite core symptoms.

It would be crazy dumb otherwise to announce their findings studying a spectrum disorder, if their findings were, "it appears to be a spectrum disorder".😂

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Oh wow, are we realizing the definition of a syndrome all of the sudden.

[–] horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's the combo. Tylenol and circumcision.

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

So women can't be autistic eh? Good to know.

[–] bhamlin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

See, you already sound like most of the medical community!

[–] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

You can circumcise a woman!

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 6 points 2 weeks ago

Sure, I could listen to scientists about the complex nature of genes and brain development or I could listen to someone else. Someone like RJK Jr, a man whose brain literally has worms in it. Whose boss, Trumpie, whose brain is turning into mush.

Check mate scientists.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

So they aren't Fae changelings after all?

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Isn't that why we call it a syndrome? I mean, that's something that everyone with a minimum of insight in the matter knows.

[–] individual@toast.ooo 3 points 2 weeks ago

might be a little early in the history of science and health as phenomenons to make full conclusions

[–] biggerbogboy@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I frankly find it stupid how every type of autism has converted under ASD without really any distinction apart from support needs I believe, like someone with very mild low support needs autism gets the same benefits as a very high support needs low functioning autist.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Yeah. Massive difference between those who have mild autistic issues an those who are essential disabled from normal life by it.

Yet the former seem to think they are the ones who are 'truly' suffering.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So I should stop taking Tylenol? Crap! What if I smear Ivermectin all over my face, will that work? Or will it just make me a republican.

[–] Vandals_handle@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe if you smear it on your genitals you can re-grow your foreskin.

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