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But honestly, if someone has an account on that instance it's probably good for them to be able to read posts and comments on other instances. Of course once in a while that will lead to some trolling and individual users will be banned. If that's too much then the whole instance should be defederated. But I don't think it should be preemptive. I see more potential for good than harm.
Things that should be preemptive: accessibility, codes of conduct.
I say no, just like college, the point is to expose yourself to the enemy, learn what they say, or otherwise you're just existing in a bubble
I'm reminded of a story about a bartender, who immediately kicked out a Nazi simply for entering the establishment. The Nazi wasn't causing any trouble. But the rational was that once you start allowing Nazis in "because they're nice", they'll start inviting their friends, who might not be so nice. Now your bar is a Nazi bar, and they become much harder to kick out because "you already let us in, why do you have a problem now?"
Nazis (and fascists in general) use the same tricks as narcissistic people, by holding you to your words because you believe in words. They don't, so they happily trample all over you once you let your guard down.
Nazism, by definition, is hateful and violent ideology. Maga is following in their footsteps. They have no place in this world.
That's the one!
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Please defed them if my vote is allowed.
i appreciate your input, but I have a question. did you just find this post or was there a link to it somewhere?
the comments are so active for an 8 day old post and idk why
I have been not well. Was catching up and the post was in my All.
ah I see. Wishing you the best of luck
Seeing as your on lemmy.ca, this thread might be more useful to you as your vote wouldn't be counted in SJW.
I voted no. I strongly disagree with maga fucks, but I also don't want an echo chamber. Discussion and debate benefit from disagreement.
We have an openly fascist president who reads Mein Kampf and administration members who combined have made Nazis comfortable literally doing Nazi salutes on international broadcast TV. IMO the U.S. IS the Nazi bar in the story - we let one Nazi in and now they've brought all their friends. Let's not repeat that mistake on Lemmy.
Give them the boot.
I think we should be wary and keep them on a short leash, but I don't see them causing enough trouble here in October 2025 to defederate. If I'd wanted a safe space I would have gone to Beehaw.
As a general rule, I am against defederation unless the instance is going to cause liability or technical problems (bot spamming, illegal content, etc.)
This instance in particular is closer to banning a user that is self hosting. It is closed, requires account approval, and thusly defederation will not catch any unknowing users in a dragnet.
So I think defederation is a reasonable exception for this instance, especially given the community vote in progress.
I haven't seen any evidence of their users consistently violating rules of other instances, I've only seen intolerant communities on their instance. That should not be grounds for defederation, we should only defederate if their instance refuses to deal with reported abuse from their users.
So I'll vote no on this. While I very much disagree politically w/ that instance, I don't think that's enough to defederate.
The only interactions I've had with them was a user trolling.
If you have evidence, post it. If we have any mods who have experience working w/ their admins, we should have that evidence as well.
meh, I'm not going to convince you. Just vote no. Besides:
Bait?
If we make decisions based on a difference of opinion, we'll just create a massive echo chamber. To avoid that, defederation needs to be based on actual rules, and I think those rules should center around moderation. Regardless of the other instance's views, if their moderation keeps up with reports, we should stay federated. I don't know if that's the case, hence the ask for evidence.
When your "opinions" consist of racism and hate, they cease to be opinion.
As long as they keep their opinions in whatever community they choose and don't force it down anyone's throat, I'm fine with it existing. I'd rather have ugly opinions openly debated instead of festering in the background where others get sucked in and we get a pathway to extremism. It's pretty easy to just block the odd community that pops up all you never see it again.
Debate them or ignore them, but completely blocking them just kneecaps this burgeoning platform. Nobody is going to join if the standard is "only leftists that meet this litmus test".
Obviously you can vote however you choose, I personally prefer to lean on the side of allowing content vs blocking it outright, at least until they refuse to obey our rules when in our communities.
You're making a valid point, on the other hand
Nobody is going to join if the standard is "only leftists that meet this litmus test".
What if the standard was not "only leftists" but "everyone but the far-right"? They are allowed on most (?) major platforms these days, and it hasn't helped them become better places.
The same is true. Echo chambers are bad, and it you want evidence of that on the left, look no further than Lemmy.ml.
Quite often people with extreme views violate the rules, so they get banned. The rest tend to improve my experience overall. I've had good and bad discussions with people on all extremes of the political spectrum on Reddit, and that's because there were communities for everyone. I'd avoid the toxic communities like the_donald, but I very much enjoyed many of the others. My favorite subreddits were the neutral* subreddits (esp. neutral news), which contrary to the name didn't enforce neutrality, but required sources for every claim, and people from all over the political spectrum would provide fantastic evidence for their claims.
I would avoid all of the above communities be ajse I don't think segregating myself by gender and biological sex fosters good discussion, nor do I crave acceptance. But others obviously disagree, and I think that's fine. It shouldn't be on the platform to decide how people self-organize, it should only step in if people are breaking the rules.
Nazis shouldn't be given a seat at the table. That's my take.
I would like the option to vote to defer to the moderators. Reason being while I think it is valid to keep their community exposed to outside, less supportive, takes on their ideology, I also understand that the community has potential to be a particularly toxic and hostile one, so I understand if our moderators (who I am very appreciative of) don't want to take on the task of keeping them in check on this community.
Also, those of you upvoting and downvoting votes are wild.
Yes for defederation
I navigated the instance some. The amount of disinformation on its posts is concerning to me. I hadent personally been effected but the potential is worrisome.
I believe in an open internet so my vote is no
"Open internet" and fascism aren't compatible.
Cool story
What their homepage looks like...
Defed that nonsense please
A screenshot made for ants? Am I doing something wrong if I only see blurred text and large pixels when I zoom in in voyager?
That's weird. I swear it was legible when I made that comment
This just happens sometimes. I don't know if it's a client thing or a server thing. Opening and closing the image repeatedly will often coax it into loading properly.
They should be defederated.
Their hateful ideas should have no place here.
Defederate, we saw what the_donald become. If anything, to avoid the bots and agitators.
The post on Science Memes got downvoted into oblivion, which is funny.
But yeah, we should probably defed these pos.
Defederate. Let the right-wingers have their echo-chambers in isolation
And keep your own echo-chamber? I'm very disappointed in this community... I haven't come across any posts from that community but their front page looks no worse than news@lemmy.ml just with a different slant. They don't even have any comments so the community must be tiny.
Lemmy.ml is still 10 times better than the misanthropic filth, MAGA will spill. The term you're looking for is Discourse Hygiene