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The GOP expected Democrats to relent on the shutdown by now. That isn't happening.
(www.nbcnews.com)
One thing Schumer's good at is doing nohting.
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There is no negotiating to be had on the issue. Remove the cuts to healthcare or fuck off.
It's actually worse. With the pocket recision that has already been used, the administration has literally demonstrated that they will rescind any deal they don't want to pay for. Frankly, the only way to negotiate in good faith would be some legal measure passed and tested by the courts (because the pocket recision used to be illegal until this SCOTUS ruled in favor of it, like just in time for this budget needing to be passed), guaranteeing that the administration will fund what Congress has appropriated funds for.
Sadly, most Americans have very short attention spans and will soon forget what the shutdown was about and will be more concerned with a short term crisis than long term health care worries. My worry is the Republicans know this, after all they manufactured this nation's eroded attention span and used it to gain power already.
The last shutdown ended after 35 days when LaGuardia was shutdown due to protests ftom airport workers who weren't getting payed.
My prediction is a similar thing will happen.
They are about to miss a full paycheck this weekend, and it's the end of the month, bills are about due. Things are about to start hurting.
If only we had an extra 40 billion...
Man. It would royally suck if some government flights stayed grounded because air traffic control refused to work. 😐
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Every single newspaper acts like only the Democrats have any agency.
We don't have another opposition group in politics who have any power or political capital at all, so we're pressing on them to do their job for once. They are doing the right thing by holding out so the GOP doesn't gut social services, I wish they could have held out stronger in many other standoffs. People like Schumer have let us down over and over by making concessions and ignoring what people want.
Yeah, I'm actually happy with the Dem response here, and I don't really compliment them often.
I'm annoyed that the press, as always, is completely in Republicans' pockets. Notice how the whole article is practically waiting with bated breath for the Democrats to give in and open the government? They bury any talk of the ACA a few paragraphs in. The possibility that the Republicans could reopen the government by agreeing to extend healthcare subsidies is not really contemplated.
I've seen many articles across different papers, and this is a theme. Their narrative is that the Dems have shut down the government. Republicans defunding healthcare is always a foregone conclusion, and the story is always about the competition, never about the substance of the fight.
One reason people treat politics like a team sport is because that's how it's always covered.
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If we don't hold the line now, everything gets much worse.
Fetterman is a disgrace.
He's just appeasing the Nazis. It worked back in WW2
Keep it shutdown and keep the core message that GOP can end this if they cared about health care for normal americans.
Keep up the pressure and rally around the message.
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Just three Democratic caucus members voted for the bill: John Fetterman, D-Pa.; Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev.; and Angus King, I-Maine.
Hear that Nevada and Maine? You should probably deal with your traitors.
Everybody already knew about Fetterman
Maine is working on it, at least.
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Fetterman is a Democrat just like manchin is a Democrat, so basicly not a democrat.
Manchin was a democrat from a very right wing state. He never hid his views and that he was going to be very right wing democrat.
Fetterman said he was a progressive, ran as a progressive, and went hard right wing when he got in office. Yeah the brain damage changed him but I think he was always a Republican in Democrat clothes.
Goddamnit Fetterman be an actual democrat again for 5 minutes.
Why hasn't he been kicked out yet?
Because there are lots of Fettermen. He's just the most visible one.
Same reason Charlie Brown hasn't kicked that football
Seriously. He needs to be censured and removed from the party. Make him run as an independent.
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We don’t negotiate with terrorists.
We literally do, though. We negotiate all the fucking time. Reagan was negotiating with terrorists when he said that.
I was just telling my best friend that I think this shutdown is going to go on for six to eight months. Possibly to the point where the pot boils over and the government gets thrown away because it was closed for so long.
At least, one can dream that after months of bitter pain and suffering, we might possibly get people who care about others running a government. But that’s a whole hell of a serving of pain and suffering before we get there.
Fuck it, let’s general strike this place. Medicare for all with the govt reopen and all those critical services back or nothing ever happens again.
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Hope they downgrade the US’s credit reputation yet again.
Last time they did that, sales of Treasuries actually went up. Quixotically, the downgrade hurt the stock market. People divested of equities. And then they needed to move the money to a safe place. So.... uh.... Treasuries.
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From this start it seemed likely to me that they would hold out until Heath Insurance rate letters stated going out.
I’m gonna have to vote for Fetterman in three years, aren’t I.
That depends on whether someone in PA can assemble the resources needed to primary him.
I honestly dont expect him to run for reelection. The guy seems to absolutely hate being a senator after having a stroke. He definitely despises being in the public eye or the center of attention to some degree. He also seems to not really have much awareness of things going on around him in general anymore. He really should not be in such a stressful position in his current state of health, and I doubt he wants to be. Pride is probably the sole thing keeping him from stepping down. It definitely isnt his love for being in the role, that is for sure
Pride is probably the sole thing keeping him from stepping down.
I think that sums up so many of the Democratic Party's problems.....
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Oct 16 - Daily Beast
Top-ranking Democratic Party officials in Pennsylvania are gearing up to run against Sen. John Fetterman in a 2028 primary contest, according to a report.
Big names in the state who could well run against the increasingly embattled incumbent include House Representatives Brendan Boyle and Chris Deluzio, along with former Congressman Conor Lamb, Axios reports, citing multiple inside sources.
Axios added it was not clear whether Fetterman, who is understood to have ambitions of running for the White House, plans to run again for the Senate or the presidency in 2028.
Fetterman texted Axios saying, “enjoy your clickbait!” and requested “please do not contact” in response to follow-up questions. He also shared an article citing him as one of “the least Trump-aligned Democratic lawmakers in the state.”
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