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The GOP expected Democrats to relent on the shutdown by now. That isn't happening.
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There is no negotiating to be had on the issue. Remove the cuts to healthcare or fuck off.
It's actually worse. With the pocket recision that has already been used, the administration has literally demonstrated that they will rescind any deal they don't want to pay for. Frankly, the only way to negotiate in good faith would be some legal measure passed and tested by the courts (because the pocket recision used to be illegal until this SCOTUS ruled in favor of it, like just in time for this budget needing to be passed), guaranteeing that the administration will fund what Congress has appropriated funds for.
Sadly, most Americans have very short attention spans and will soon forget what the shutdown was about and will be more concerned with a short term crisis than long term health care worries. My worry is the Republicans know this, after all they manufactured this nation's eroded attention span and used it to gain power already.
The last shutdown ended after 35 days when LaGuardia was shutdown due to protests ftom airport workers who weren't getting payed.
My prediction is a similar thing will happen.
They are about to miss a full paycheck this weekend, and it's the end of the month, bills are about due. Things are about to start hurting.
If only we had an extra 40 billion...
Man. It would royally suck if some government flights stayed grounded because air traffic control refused to work. 😐
Maybe they can hold out until Thanksgiving
Every single newspaper acts like only the Democrats have any agency.
We don't have another opposition group in politics who have any power or political capital at all, so we're pressing on them to do their job for once. They are doing the right thing by holding out so the GOP doesn't gut social services, I wish they could have held out stronger in many other standoffs. People like Schumer have let us down over and over by making concessions and ignoring what people want.
Yeah, I'm actually happy with the Dem response here, and I don't really compliment them often.
I'm annoyed that the press, as always, is completely in Republicans' pockets. Notice how the whole article is practically waiting with bated breath for the Democrats to give in and open the government? They bury any talk of the ACA a few paragraphs in. The possibility that the Republicans could reopen the government by agreeing to extend healthcare subsidies is not really contemplated.
I've seen many articles across different papers, and this is a theme. Their narrative is that the Dems have shut down the government. Republicans defunding healthcare is always a foregone conclusion, and the story is always about the competition, never about the substance of the fight.
One reason people treat politics like a team sport is because that's how it's always covered.
That's a messaging shortcoming, not the public's fault. If I have short attention span it is mostly because shit is stacking faster than I can cope.
While being manipulated is not your fault as a member of the public, it is certainly the public's fault for not being informed or taking the time to learn about and understand politics and allowing the kind of "why you gotta make everything political" anti-engagement sentiment to influence you.
Somewhere along the way we started allowing someone's poor understanding of how the world works and how the country operates to be a respectable and protected identity, rather than a sign of massive failure from top to bottom of the system.
When I rewrite the 10 commandments, one is going to be "Thou shalt not be a mark."
That was part of the plan, too. I think they put it in Project 2025.
Nah. That type of voter is also the type to just blame everything on the party in power.
You are describing the overwhelming majority of American voters.