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[–] 87Six@lemmy.world 169 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Since I dont see it mentioned, the company is

iLife

iLife makes vacuums that map your house and can be remote controlled

Just so we are clear. You should all up your name and shame game.

[–] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 4 days ago (5 children)

For real. It's wild how often people don't just straight up call out bad corps.

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[–] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

o7 thank you for your service

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[–] Regna@lemmy.world 298 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

At first I thought ”Well, duh!”, but the manufacturer having a remote kill switch when he network blocked his vacuum from sharing his home map data with them, as well as unprotected root access when connecting to the vacuum… urgh.

The engineer says he stopped the device from broadcasting data, though kept the other network traffic — like firmware updates — running like usual. The vacuum kept cleaning for a few days after, until early one morning when it refused to boot up.

After reverse engineering the vacuum, a painstaking process which included reprinting the devices’ circuit boards and testing its sensors, he found something horrifying: Android Debug Bridge, a program for installing and debugging apps on devices, was “wide open” to the world. “In seconds, I had full root access. No hacks, no exploits. Just plug and play,” Narayanan said.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 155 points 5 days ago (1 children)

All crappy IoT devices ever made. They aren't used in bot nets all the time because hackers like the challenge of hacking them so much. Security simply isn't a priority.

[–] Xerxos@lemmy.ml 197 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The 'S' on IoT stands for security!

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[–] pipe01@programming.dev 64 points 5 days ago (12 children)

Is it just me, or is having ADB exposed physically not that big a deal?

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 110 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Tend to agree, security is always the goal but if someone is in my house hacking my vacuum, I have bigger issues. The no-notice remote kill is the bigger issue to me.

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[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

A few years ago I noticed an annoyance with a soundbar I had. After allowing it onto my WiFi network so we could stream music to it, it still broadcast the setup WiFi network.

While dorking around one day, I ran a port scan on my network and the soundbar reported port 22 (ssh) was open. I was able to log in as root and no password.
After a moment of “huh, that’s terrible security.” I connected to the (publicly open) setup network, ssh’d in, and copied the wpa_supplicant.conf file from the device to verify it had my WiFi info available to anyone with at least my mediocre skill level. I then factory reset the device, never to entrust it with any credentials again.

[–] billygoat@catata.fish 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Name and shame, what make and model was it?

[–] Monument@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It was a TCL Alto 9+.

A quick internet search reveals that this issue was known about at least three years ago.

Another model, the 8i was reported to have a root password of “12345678” - which is partially how I got the idea to start seeing if I could gain root.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (5 children)

At this point, if you buy a smart thing you have to know it's spyware.

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[–] bytesonbike@discuss.online 79 points 4 days ago (6 children)

In addition, Narayanan says he uncovered a suspicious line of code broadcasted from the company to the vacuum, timestamped to the exact moment it stopped working. “Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

They kill switched it remotely. Yikes.

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[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Wait till you find out what your wifi can do.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Port Scanning blocker was eye opening to how many websites just wanted to check in on me.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

Oh, damn! Thanks for reminding me to add that extension since I reinstalled my browser.

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[–] Alenalda@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago
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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

On paper all of this stuff is a great idea that would make our appliances more functional.

In reality, the best case scenario is that it’s sold to our corporate overlords so they can slap an ad on your refrigerator and sell you more plastic waste.

Worst case, it’s sold to ICE or some other fascist regime.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/ring-cameras-are-about-to-get-increasingly-chummy-with-law-enforcement/

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[–] AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 days ago (3 children)

“Someone — or something — had remotely issued a kill command,” he wrote.

“I reversed the script change and rebooted the device,” he wrote. “It came back to life instantly. They hadn’t merely incorporated a remote control feature. They had used it to permanently disable my device.”

In short, he said, the company that made the device had “the power to remotely disable devices, and used it against me for blocking their data collection… Whether it was intentional punishment or automated enforcement of ‘compliance,’ the result was the same: a consumer device had turned on its owner.”

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

Treasonous malware.

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[–] fistac0rpse@fedia.io 81 points 5 days ago

iLife A11 smart vacuum

[–] papertowels@mander.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

In case anyone's interested, there's actually open-source self-hosted robot vacuum firmware for select models

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 59 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Well, yes, that's what those cheap "smart" devices do. Or does anyone think cheap smart would fit into that device? Rule of thumb: if a device needs internet access, it is spying on you.

[–] Landless2029@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

!homeassistant@lemmy.world on a isolated vLAN is my goal for "Smart" devices.

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[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 56 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I know very well why I installed valetudo before I even started my new vac for the first time 😁

https://valetudo.cloud/

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[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 57 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I read about iRobot gathering and selling info about apartments like 10 years ago. People still alarmed by this are simply ignorant.

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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 days ago

I used to be on a mailing list where American companies offered money to people in the third world for menial manual tasks. Like sending pictures of random crap from different angles and such. One time I got an email offering 4 of these things and $100 and all I had to do was put one of them in my home and use it for a week and give the other 3 away. Goes without saying they're clearly a privacy nightmare.

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 days ago

If you have a robot vacuum, and the robot vacuum makes a persistent map (as opposed to the older "dumber" models that just bounce around randomly), they all send that map back to some remote server. In fact, most of those robots won't even enable the mapping feature unless they're connected to the Internet (which is absolute bullshit considering most of those robots generate, process, and store that map locally, so there's literally no reason to send it off somewhere).

So your options are to just use the robot without ever connecting it to the Internet and be happy with the reduced featureset, root the robot and install Valetudo on it, or just vacuum manually. But until manufacturers are forced to let us actually own the smart devices they sell is, under no circumstances should you ever let one touch the Internet.

[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

This article just screams rage-bait. Not that I am against making people aware of this kind of privacy invasion, but the authors did not bother to do any fact checking.

Firstly, they mention that the vacuum was "transmitting logs and telemetry that [the guy] had never consented to share". If you set up an app with the robot vacuum company, I'm pretty sure you'll get a rather long terms and services document that you just skip past, because who bothers reading that?

Secondly, the ADB part is rather weird. The person probably tried to install Valetudo on it? Otherwise, I have no clue what they tried to say with "reprinting the devices’ circuit boards". I doubt that this guy was able to reverse engineer an entire circuit board, but was surprised when seeing that ADB is enabled? This is what makes some devices rather straight forward to install custom firmware that block all the cloud shenanigans, so I'm not sure why they're painting this as a horrifying thing. Of course, you're broadcasting your map data to the manufacturer so that you can use their shitty app.

The part saying that it had full root access and a kill-switch is a bit worse, but still... It doesn't have to be like this. Shout-out to the people working on the Valetudo project. If you're interested in getting a privacy-friendly robot vacuum, have a look at their website. It requires some know-how, but once it's done, you know for sure you don't need to worry about a 3rd party spying on you.

[–] Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I am assuming the individual described in the article is based in the US, but nevertheless, many countries do not allow spying, fraud and criminality as long as you have a TOS that says you are allowed to do so.

This is a very provincial manner of thinking and shows how deeply tolerance of corruption and criminality dominates the American mind.

Same with the kill switch, it is essentially a fraudulent scheme, a criminal activity.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 24 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Americans are conditioned to do a lot of things without thinking about it, but if they ever really stopped to consider it, they'd be outraged.

For instance, those heart-tugging ads for St Jude's Children's Hospital. It's a great thing they do, taking in cancer kids, and covering all the expenses, even housing and food. They show grateful parents crying, because their kids have a chance because of the charity of St Jude and the viewers, and viewers shed a tear and donate.

It never occurs to anyone that in almost every other country in the world, such a place wouldn't be necessary. Their cancer kids would simply be taken care of. No pomp about it, no commercials begging for donations, curing cancer kids is just business as usual.

But in America, your kid will just DIE unless you've got good health insurance (which is about to get a LOT more expensive), a lot of money, or hit the charity lottery.

But that never occurs to Americans watching that ad. They will dig into their pockets to send money to St Jude, before they will give money to a progressive candidate to change our health care system so it doesn't require tear-jerking marketing to operate.

[–] Manjushri@piefed.social 23 points 5 days ago

It never occurs to anyone that in almost every other country in the world, such a place wouldn’t be necessary.

Yep. It reminds me of this .

Every heartwarming human interest story in America is like "he raised $20,000 to keep 200 orphans from being crushed in the orphan-crushing machine" and then never asks why an orphan-crushing machine exists or why you'd need to pay to prevent it from being used.

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I remember about news of some Israeli intelligence operatives who jogged around their HQ only to be outed by their tracks on Strava.

[–] burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 4 days ago

I remember army officers and cia folks, specifically. It wouldn't surprise me that israel got caught as well.

[–] madjo@feddit.nl 25 points 4 days ago (6 children)

That is why I have denied internet access for my robot vacuum cleaner. Xiaomi doesn't need to know the blueprint of my house, and if it can't connect to the internet, there's no need for firmware updates.

I'll start the thing by pressing the button at the top.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Yeah that issue has been around for at least a couple years now. Luckily my robovac doesn't have WiFi or bluetooth

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[–] Nightsoul@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I mean, this has been known about for pretty much all smart vacuums.

But who the fuck is going to use the layout of your house for anything?

[–] n0respect@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

The secret police

I feel the same way, I dont care really care about them knowing my house layout, but they shouldn't. We cant let companies get away with infringing on our freedoms and privacy.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (13 children)

Sheeesh, his fucking mobile phone mapped and photographed his house long ago.

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[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 9 points 4 days ago
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