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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 55 points 1 year ago (1 children)

too bad the water source isnt visible so we could label it 'united states funding'

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You need a plain water tap with no one pressing the button. And the cup below labeled Gaza.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Well you can be both a perpetrator and a victim

[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Was about to say. It should be 'Committing war crimes' and 'Also a victim' lol.

Having 1,200 of your countrymen slaughtered through terrorist violence makes you a victim. It doesn't give carte blanche to annihilate everything in your path for vengeance though.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You stop qualifying for sympathy when you as the victim decide to escalate in the name of revenge

[–] snoopfrog@midwest.social 14 points 1 year ago

I'm admittedly not well-versed in international affairs, but hasn't Israel been waiting for an opportunity to do exactly what they're doing for decades? We've armed them to the tooth, and that has always been at least a little concerning because we understood this to be their disposition. I fully expected some light genocide after hearing about the Hamas attack. It's looking like they might exceed expectations too. I'm a little shocked at our indifference.

[–] SexyTimeSasquatch@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (46 children)

Yeah, that could be Hamas too.

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[–] AI_toothbrush@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same with hamas but red is pretending to represent palestine

[–] eestileib@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

Indeed.

But I have no hope of influencing Hamas.

My vote and political activism has some small chance of affecting Israeli policy so that's what I'm more engaged in.

I saw somebody on TV saying "what people don't understand is that Hamas wants civilian deaths". Oh I get it, I get it just fine. It doesn't change the fact that Netanyahu etc are giving them exactly exactly what they want.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Jaderick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It’s the slightly less motivated “committing”

[–] Onfire@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Can say the same thing about Hamas and their supporters. We should keep out of this mess. There's no solution and it won't end well. Don't get involved.

[–] MasterNerd@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think allowing a nation to commit genocide just because we don't want to get involved sets a dangerous precedent

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What's frustrating to me as a person who's generally against violence is that Israel has a pretty elite secret police force and pretty elite special forces that they (apparently) haven't used at all to deal with the actual perpetrators of the October 7th massacre & kidnapping.

They just started bombing thousands of civilians to kill dozens, maybe hundreds of Hamas militants.

Like, surely they could have cut the head off the Hamas Snake with surgical strike teams infiltrating Gaza, probably the West Bank, and international locations in Qatar or wherever the leadership is.

Reasonable people could conclude that Israel had to respond to Oct 7th, and that the best target would be Hamas. I can't fathom how any reasonable people could conclude that bombing groups of people with 90% or more innocent civilians and the rest possible militants is a good response.

I can imagine that UNreasonable people might conclude that all Palestinians are guilty by association (because Hamas is their Netanyahu-supported elected government) and they're all militants (even the babies). Or those unreasonable people might believe that Palestinians aren't people worthy of protection.

So goddamned frustrating.

[–] Heir_Of_Isildur@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

There was an IDF representative who said that they were not going for accuracy. Which means that they are intentionally killing civilians.

[–] SeedyOne@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Actually, weren't they severely embarrassed by those recent attacks, having been totally caught off guard? Maybe we're overestimating just how good their forces really are.

[–] Meowoem@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

What you're saying is during an active war they haven't heavily publicised what their special forces and secret agents have been doing?

I say heavily because they have mentioned various success their covert units have had, one example is them sneaking into a tunnel while everyone was busy firing rockets at Israel then taking all the secret documents revealing the location of other tunnel networks and fighters.

Of course Israel wants to find the kidnapped people and free them, of course they want to kill or capture the Hamas leaders, and of course they don't want to kill innocent people. Those aren't easy things in the situation they're in.

The leader of Hamas assuming he's back from his recent trip to Iran is at home in Doha, the local commanders are in their bases deep under hospitals, the fighters are dressed as civilians and of course get added to the civilian casualties lists - especially the teenagers fighting for Hamas...

People act like Israel is in an easy position but that really isn't close to reality.

[–] stewsters@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think you are overestimating the value of special forces. We kind of mythologize them with our media, but they are not action heroes. You arnt going to send them into a hostile city where Hamas is not in uniform, planned for the retaliation, had time to prepare, and expect them to come out with low casualties.

For example of what this looks like with the US, refer to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)

Even the US after 9-11 didn't just send in spec ops after Osama, they went in whole hog. And that was estimated at about 4.5 million casualties all around.

It sucks, but Hamas isn't going to start wearing uniforms and abiding by the Geneva convention any time soon.

[–] dreugeworst@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The cup looked rather big to me, but I didn't know how big 44oz was. Guys, it's 1.3 liters! Why tf are they carrying a 1.3 liter cup? Do they really drink that much in one day?

[–] icepuncher69@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is very funny.

Having said that, i rather not be involved in that conflict.

Those guys seem to have beef going on from babylonian times where everybody themsleves where diferent people afaik.

Seems to me like the holy land itself is cursed and its neighboors too.

So yeah i rather just lol at this meme.

[–] rurutheguru@lemmings.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The 1000+ Palestinian kids being killed daily by Israeli forces are victims of this "beef" stretching back thousands of years, which is messed up and unfair (stating it mildly). I think that's what most people are pointing out, that and Israel bombing hospitals.

[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I think I'll choose Sprite instead.

[–] lntl@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm going to walk directly away from this and I'm bringing my ten foot pole with me.

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