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I'm talking about programs like life after hate or those exit programs in Europe.

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[–] Cloak@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Why would people be against them

[–] pohart@lemmyrs.org 11 points 2 years ago

That's the question, though, isn't it?

nazis would obviously be against them, but how else are they bad?

This is the first I've heard of them, but if they end up serving more as nazi networking than nazi deradicalization I would be against them.

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 7 points 2 years ago

Some view anything less than outright shunning as coddling these viewpoints.

[–] JackLSauce@lemmy.world -3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

At first glance, it sounds uncomfortably similar to a "reeducation camp"

[–] pip@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I think people (especially people in communities directly affected by nazi violence) don’t have any obligation to be involved, or to “forgive” somebody who wants to escape certain patterns of thought, but I can’t find any argument against it that fits in my moral compass. Nazism shouldn’t exist but I’m not so jaded as to think that violence is the ONLY way to combat it

[–] Nemo@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago

It's hard work and I'm glad someone out there is willing to do it.

[–] TiredSpider@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd hope they work but I've seen too many "former" nazis get criticized for still holding some terrible views then immediately throw a tantrum and run back to the far-right because they don't actually want to take accountability they want to get coddled by the same minorities they hurt and be told how clever and brave they are for no longer being bigots.

[–] arktikos02@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, because the ultimately didn't get rid of the root of the problem and so they go back to their ways. Very similar to how a person who doesn't do rehab correctly or had a bad experience with it will go back to using drugs when things get hard because that's their coping mechanism.

They need to have better coping mechanisms.

The exit program in Germany for example has a 3% recidivism rate. Not too bad.

[–] TiredSpider@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 years ago

Wow that's way better than I expected. Guess it makes sense Germany would take that sort of thing more seriously.

[–] Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Assuming it doesn't involve invading a neighboring country, resulting in the deaths of thousands of civilians, then it's all good with me, though I'll admit I don't know a whole lot about these programs.