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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Most of the people fleeing Reddit aren't leaving just because of recent changes. A lot of people were already looking for alternatives, yet failing to find one active or familiar enough. So now we're here.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.

[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Agreed. I've been enjoying this site so far but I know most of my friends would hate it. It needs better UI. They also needa ELI5 all the fediverse shit and then have a TL;DR easily accesible to new visitors.

Or we(the community) needa ELI5 that shit, make memes about them, and maybe rename the fediverse because it sounds too generic.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah. Best I can describe it is its like email for message boards.

But I can see definate needs for better community discovery, group like communities from other instances, making reccomendations for similar communities etc.

[–] darkkite@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i've seen in the fediverse but it's for mastodon

[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It definitely looks amazing. Though no downvote button made me avoid Mastodon altogether.

[–] communist@beehaw.org 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Honestly, there's a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.

That and a little jank here and there but that's bound to get buffed out.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all “technology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It's literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn't actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That's it.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

I don't think it's too abstract for people. I think we're all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.

When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn't stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.

It ain't rocket science.

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[–] grant@toast.ooo 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

after I found out about the fediverse I've wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn't already popular

[–] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.

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[–] phire8@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago

Because most people just don’t understand it. It’s has a high barrier of entry (relatively speaking) and there aren’t really any good mobile apps. While I love the idea of the fed Ivette I just can’t imagine trying to explain it to everyone that’s isn’t tech savvy.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 30 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 7 points 2 years ago

This is a great point!

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 16 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

[–] Gloccu@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago

I think that's from his AMA response

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[–] Anon2971@beehaw.org 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wouldn't care. The irreversable damage is done.

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all API change criticism (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours.

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else now. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated my trust in a few days. Even if they reverse the decision, it'd be a PR move to temporarily save their sinking reputation. They clearly don't care about moderators, users or anyone who actually makes Resdit the place it is (whilst begrudgenly adding bare minimum app exceptions for blind users becsuse they legally have to).

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to sheer size. Maybe the mass exodus will lead to an alternative community discussion platform with a smaller, more refined, engaged userbase.

I'm actually excited to see where things go from here to be honest. Maybe Reddit will become a home of pointless content like memes whilst deeper discussion happens elsewhere. Maybe that'd be better, actually.

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] robocop@fedia.io 10 points 2 years ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

[–] roseh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I already like the community here more

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[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 years ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] RedPander@lemmy.rogers-net.com 8 points 2 years ago

For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

[–] 108beads@beehaw.org 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

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[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 7 points 2 years ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

[–] Vivi@beehaw.org 6 points 2 years ago

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

[–] Kettellkorn@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my “social media”

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[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 5 points 2 years ago

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

[–] goddamnpipes@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

[–] WarMarshalEmu@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

I will admit that I'd keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I'm going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.

[–] TootSweet@latte.isnot.coffee 5 points 2 years ago

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

Yeah, I'd go back. I notice the bot content has gotten bad on Reddit, but the communities I follow are still okay.

[–] artic@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] caffeineplease@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

The apollo_for_reddit developer (android) is looking into making their app compatible with alternative platforms, hopefully more Reddit apps follow suit so they can make interacting on Lemmy as frictionless as possible

[–] Wolpertinger@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago

The last time reddit pulled some shit, I found tildes and expanded the sites I visited regularly/ semi-regularly (and reducing how much time I spent on reddit). Reddit reverting the latest changes will only minimize the damage on my end, as I'll be spending time here that I could otherwise be spending over there.

This stunt reduced the already diminished trust I have for reddit. Having migrated to reddit due to the digg v4 fiasco, over the years, reddit's decisions have been like digg v4 in slow motion. Each fuckup just causes me to further reduce the amount of time I spend using the site. One of these days, they'll cross too many of my red lines, and reddit will become completely useless to me.

[–] starrox@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit is absolutely, 100% certainly not going to step back on these change. They've made up their mind long ago.

But just for the hypothetical: I think they lost a LOT of trust with the two most essential parts of the community - users and mods. Also the company (or rather, its CEO) may have taken significant image damage due to the "AMA" spez did.

I think business will go on as usual, but the decline will be more and more noticable over time. It will go the way of Digg. Unless of course reddit decides to hire moderation themselves. But we all know they probably wont want do do that. The course seems set to selling the data they have already accumulated.

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[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm seeing how things play out.

I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.

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[–] dr_doorknob@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I would stay on both. Keep reddit just for the more specific subreddits I like that aren't big here.

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[–] NoxiousPluK@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 years ago

I've overwritten and deleted all my comments and posts and nuked my account. This is my new home.

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