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[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 41 points 2 years ago (17 children)

Starlink launches forty-ish Starlink sats every other week, Russia could deplete it's entire arsenal of missiles and, if they're lucky, cause a hole in their coverage.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Starlink needs deleting too, so that would be perfect.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 4 points 2 years ago (10 children)

As someone who spends a lot of time in the outdoors, I have to disagree with you. I'm very excited about how this will simplify logistics, and make getting weather etc much easier.

[–] warm@kbin.earth 43 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (18 children)

The skies are already polluted with Starlink satellites and there's even more coming. I agree that is does solve some situations, but it's being done for profit, not for undeveloped areas. Sticking more shit in our skies for money is really sad, I am surprised there's not more international regulations for this kind of satellite spam.

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[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I've never had to do anything to get the weather. It just arrives and does its thing.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 22 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Spy satellites have always been valid targets. I don't think they're any more likely to shoot these ones down than any of the others.

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

For real. This seems like something that threatens musk and space x more than anybody else. The CIA effectively has unlimited money to replace whatever Russia takes down, but musk needing to pay to replace satellites to maintain starlink will hurt his bottom line. I don't think tin foil hat wearers would be all that unreasonable to make the assumption that this is a veiled threat to keep musk in line. I frequently hear the argument that "billionaires can't be bought" but I believe the exact opposite. They care more about money than morals and ethics, and can therefore be coerced by it either through hurting their bottom line or rewarding them with more of it. A dragon's hoard can never be too big for the dragon to accept more, and nothing hurts the drain more than reducing its hoard.

[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Musk supports Russia so what's the play here

[–] Lath@kbin.earth 7 points 2 years ago (12 children)

That CIA - SpaceX combo to make spy satellites mentioned some days back.

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[–] Chefdano3@lemm.ee 15 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Can't wait to hear about space X satellites falling out of a window.

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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (6 children)

There are more sats than asat missiles. The math doesn't work out. Unless they use nukes or shotgun blasts or something to make the entirety of leo unusable.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The math doesn’t work out.

You only need enough asat missiles to create enough debris. Kessler handles the rest.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hense making the entirety of leo unusable

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Eh, not for long. LEO everything falls eventually. HEO... that can take a long hot minute.

[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

LEO we're still talking the better part of a decade, especially the derbies that get kicked to higher altitudes by the collisions. It's not as permanent as higher up, but it's still a strategic level capability, not tactical.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The numbers I've heard for LEO are like 4-5 years. But that point is whatever.

Kessler'ing the LEO means it's now harder to retaliate in HEO. It would be an easy win for Russia to knock out Starlink if the US government is actually relying on it in any meaningful capacity.

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[–] TheHotze@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

And also affects China and India, both nations that Russia relies on. Doubly on China who is developing their own LEO internet service.

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 years ago

Blast Lonnie's bullshit out of the sky and see if I care.

[–] nexusband@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

On one hand, I really, really want those idiots in the Kremel to cause a Kessler Syndrome...(In theory it could also prevent ballistic missiles)

On the other hand, that would be quite bad for the rest of us.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.nz 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Starlink birds fly too low for that, they will deorbit in 4-8 years if they go dead.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'd be worried about debris flung into steeply elliptical orbits, though. It wouldn't take much to do some real damage to sats in higher orbits and once the cascade starts there's not much we can do but wait decades for the worst of it to fall into the atmosphere.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 9 points 2 years ago

Those steeply elliptical orbits would probably deorbit even quicker since a random impulse that boosts the apogee is likely to lower the perigee even more.

[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 points 2 years ago

Kessler syndrome is only a threat to satellites that are orbiting within the debris, it's not really a danger if you're only passing through (as a ballistic missile would).

[–] Trebuchet@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago
[–] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

So...Goldeneye part 2?

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