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I'm talking specifically about obeying the speed limit, doing a full stop at stop signs, etc. After receiving a speeding ticket for doing 53 in a 50, As an experiment I went a full day obeying all traffic laws 100% and it caused so much road rage. For example, there is a 2 lane road near me with a speed limit of 50 (where I got the ticket), traffic usually moves at about 60/65. There was a huge line of cars behind me and nowhere to pull over. As soon as an opening came up on the shoulder I was about to pull over and one of the cars behind me blew past me on the on the right blaring their horn. Then another truck passed me at the next opportunity and brake checked me. Both of these cars proceeded to run a red light about 1/4 mile ahead of me endangering others. By far the worst part of driving on this 2 lane road was the 25 mph work zone which is completely ignored by everyone else. It effectively resulted in me doing 25 mph in a "60" which is very dangerous.

Having needed to spend the entire day pulling over at every opportunity to let people pass I inevitably picked up a drill bit and got a flat tire.

Even matters as simple as stopping completely at a stop sign for 1 second cause immediate anger and dangerous behavior from other drivers.

What on earth are we expected to do? All I want is to avoid speeding tickets and drive safely.

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[–] dsemy@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I think traffic laws in many cases cause more issues than they solve, though I don’t know enough to really say which types of laws are problematic.

I do notice that a lot of drivers which go over the speed limit because it’s too low tend to overdo it, driving too fast instead, for example. On roads where the speed limit is fairly high most people seem to drive at a speed close to it.

I also read a study a few years ago which claimed that removing speed limits actually causes most people to drive slower, but I can’t find it right now.

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I had this experience in driving on wide open highway in nevada, the speed limit was 80 and to my surprise traffic was moving at maybe 83-ish. If I was doing 80 exactly it wouldn't cause any issues at all. That speed can easily be considered safe by anyone because there's effectively nothing to hit.

However, I still think that speed limits (25/35/50mph zones) are actually reasonable and the issue is that the majority of people vastly underestimate how impact forces and stopping distances are effected with increased speed. Decades ago, doing 60mph in a car was generally terrifying, now cars are so smooth and refined that it feels like nothing. I don't care how well-engineered your car is, though, it doesn't change the amount of force created on impact. In fact its even worse now with cars being so much heavier in general.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I can’t believe you got a ticket for speeding 53 in a 50! What state do you live in that police are that eager to give a ticket? Cops will only be that strict where I live in 25mph zones, usually school zones or a place where the highway goes through the middle of town.

They say something around here like: +8, you’re great. +9, you’re mine. And that is actually pretty low for how much I’ve seen people speed here (+15 sometimes, even on 2-lane highways like you’re talking about). I got ticketed for a +13.

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In california, near an upscale/wealthy neighborhood with otherwise low crime. Its how the police department stays well funded I'm sure.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds like it. You could fight it if you have the time and will. Most likely (though take this with a grain of salt because I’m in the Midwest which is clearly different), the officer won’t see it as worth his time to go to the court hearing, especially if the fine is low.

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah it feels like the fine is just high enough to justify them making money from the stop, but just low enough that it doesn't seem like its worth my time/effort to fight it.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago

And that’s what they want people to do. Likely it isn’t enough money for the officer to go after either, so you could just fight it to make sure they don’t get the money, if you have the time. It’s cool if you don’t.

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[–] son_named_bort@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The last ticket I got was from parking within 15 feet of a fire hydrant. There's no sign or marker indicating where 15 feet is, so I had to basically eyeball it and hope that I was far enough from the hydrant. Yeah, that's one that's almost impossible to practically obey.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

My wife once got a ticket in Boston for an expired meter. The meter was labeled as being in effect until 6pm. The ticket was issued at around 6:30.

When she went to fight it the traffic judge was adamant that she should know all meters in the city are enforced until 8pm. He let it go but warned her not to do it again.

A few weeks later she ran into one of the parking enforcement people who said that they know a handful of meters are labeled wrong, but despite reporting them nothing ever happens. He said they do try to be lenient and ignore cars parked in those spots between 6pm and 8pm but sometimes they’re just so frazzled from the day that they forget…

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

It’s damned if you do and damned if you don’t. Welcome to the real world.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's been like 20 years that, at least where I am there is automatic speed camera and a zero tolerance policy, people get fine and loose points even for small speeding so if you want to keep your licence, no choice

Not stopping at a stop? This looks dangerous like hell. Please think about the kid on a bike who might have the right of way, let her live

[–] Ocelot@lemmies.world 4 points 2 years ago

Im talking about “rolling stops” like everyone does. Slow down to 0.5mph and look both ways before continuing.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm going to remember this question next time I see one of those "BuT cYcLIsTs!" idiots.

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[–] BirdyBoogleBop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago

Where do you live? I do the speed limit all the time. Only get a random pissy BMW once a month or so.

[–] bermuda@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When I was in drivers' ed they told us that even if the speed limit is, say, 35 mph, it's safer to go 45 mph if everybody around you is also going 45 mph. I think most cops are also aware of this, so I wonder if you were just picked on to fulfill a ticket quota or something. Also differences that small in mph are very questionable for a ticket because speedometers can vary wildly and most if not all speedometers have a very minor margin of error. For example you could have been radar tracked at 53 but your speedometer could have been closer to 51 or 50

[–] HRYDJPCHNMNDGBLTFIYA@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

I also follow traffic laws. People often rage at me completely unprovoked, and I've been in more collisions than I can count.

What matters is you are not responsible for the actions of others. Yes driving 60 in a 25 is incredibly dangerous. See what happens when you slam on the brakes for the work zone sign, it's absurd.

But it's not our job to police that. The best we can do is follow the law, try to avoid the idiots, and collect the insurance money when they do hit us and move on.

[–] argv_minus_one@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What on earth are we expected to do?

Pay the fines. It's a money-making scheme, not a public-safety scheme.

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Have you tried following traffic laws in GTA games? That is insane indeed.

[–] bigschnitz@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's incorrect to think of most road laws as being in place for safety, instead recognize that it's largely a tax by another name. It is never safe to drive 20mph below prevailing traffic, regardless of what the sign on the side of the road instructs.

To avoid fines, pay attention and try to avoid routes where there are often cops collecting a toll, especially during quieter times when you're one of a smaller number of commuters (and more likely to be the sucker who gets pinged). If you're white, congratulations, you're way less likely to be the unlucky party who gets pinged.

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