this post was submitted on 17 Jun 2023
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Malicious Compliance

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People conforming to the letter, but not the spirit, of a request. For now, this includes text posts, images, videos and links. Please ensure that the “malicious compliance” aspect is apparent - if you’re making a text post, be sure to explain this part; if it’s an image/video/link, use the “Body” field to elaborate.

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The subreddit r/steam, about the digital game storefront, received as many other subreddits a notice to open the community again, or else the mods would be replaced by those who abide.

The mods followed suit posting the following automod message under every new post:

As ya'll likely know, we've been dark to support the blackout against reddit's antagonistic behavior towards its own userbase. The admins sent us a message today saying we must open or get removed, so here we are.

For those of you browsing this subreddit on non-official apps (Reddit is Fun, Apollo, Sync, Boost, etc), they will break on July 1st due to reddit's new policies. We're opening back up but will leave permanent stickies in the subreddit and threads to keep folks in the know.

Our Discord [contains link to https://discord.gg/steam] server is active, don't forget to check it out.

Good luck and god speed.

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

On visit, you quickly notice there is a community wide effort to focus on the literal topic of the given name and post about vapors, steam trains, and kitchen appliances. While posts about the gaming platform get downvoted.

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[–] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 119 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Reddit is trying to go to war with the kind of people responsible for Boaty McBoatface and they think they're going to win.

[–] Fihn@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Reddit execs don't care when people post like this. They aren't browsing the sub, all they see is user engagement is back up and that's a win. They can sell that to advertisers as a win. If you showed them the page they'd think it's weird but they probably wouldn't know it have ever been any different.

The only win to be had with the sub re-opening is to post nothing at all.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Hardly anyone is going to spend hours browsing pictures of steam and engaging with it vs actual content so this certainly is not great for reddit.

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah but that's not what they're doing. They're doing a contrarian circlejerk that'll get boring after a few days or until the next thing happens with the steam platform that they all want to talk about. There's already a highly upvoted post there about the UI update.

[–] Quinnel@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

If the mods are true to their word they should be deleting anything related to the steam gaming platform because now its a sub about steam engines

[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Did the mods actually make any kind of decree like that, though? It sounds like they're just doing an easily ignored automod message on every post and letting the users do as they will. The post i mentioned has 7k upvotes right now and its a been up for at least one full day. https://www.reddit.com/r/Steam/comments/14bww9f/about_this_weeks_update/

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[–] PitzNR@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

I want that sentence on a t-shirt!

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 35 points 2 years ago (19 children)

This blackout has really shown which subs have actual in-touch moderators, and which ones are just the admins' puppy dogs

A while ago, I had a comment auto-removed on WPT and got a message it was because my account was "not in good standing." When I messaged the WPT mods, they explained that they were test piloting a new tool the admins plan to use. For example, if you have a throwaway email address, no email address, or are connecting via VPN, you may be "not in good standing."

With things like that on the horizon, even if they roll back on what they're doing now, we're still not likely to have a very good time on that site.

I can't blame the mods who are trying to make change through protest (and who may not even be aware of the "not in good standing" BS), but I don't plan to stick around, and I don't foresee a very bright future for reddit at all.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What a great idea. Just use an algorithm to ban any unprofitable user. Can't lose!

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[–] Cynosure@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Honesty I think the big political subs are incredibly bot infested. Political content is an amazing way to make people mad and get them to spend more time on a platform, increasing engagement and letting reddit deliver more ads. It's not like it would be the first time they used bots to drive engagement and make communities look bigger.

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[–] GhostCowboy76@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The best way for the Reddit community to fight back is to leave to another community. In order for that to happen the Fediverse options have to keep growing and improving, like they are, so that people leaving feel comfortable knowing they have a good option. Reddit will be dead in 6 months.

[–] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

I agree, although it can't hurt to also accelerate that process by making it unbearable for scabs and normies to use the site. It also helps by setting a precedent for any future centralized social sites (like squabbles) who may try to profit off their users or go to war with the internet. Maybe it might even make them open to the idea of federation (probably not but at the very least it'll make them leery of doing stuff like Reddit, unless they're just blatantly stupid like Huffman is).

[–] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago

This is the way.

[–] DarthRedLeader@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

I think these malicious compliance subreddit responses are as fun as the next person, but honest question: doesn't this work out in Reddit's favor? They don't care what's posted as long as content is being generated and traffic being driven to their site, right?

[–] Aurix@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There is the nuance to it. The subscribers did not sign up for this initially. Therefore they will have to build a new community up which certainly won't have as many subscribers for a very long time and none of the post history.

At the same time posts actually asking about the Steam platform get downvoted heavily and thus dissuade further interaction.

Effectively the sub becomes useless, just the same as if it had stayed closed. It will drop in engagement in the long term.

The John Oliver memes attract more mainstream attention and clearly signal to investors the platform is not healthy, irrespective of the traffic it causes.

With more and more subreddits joining in on this, the All page gets flooded with shitposts annoying everyone. Those who stay certainly won't want to deal with this all the time and unsubscribe.

Of course group dynamics are unpredictable at times, but reddit is certainly more in turmoil than whatever traffic.

[–] Chailles@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Not to mention that the argument that moderators are acting in bad faith against what the users want isn't really holding up if a rather decent chunk of active users are in favor of doing this.

[–] ramennoodle@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

r/pics held a poll and their users CHOSE the john oliver memes. other subs are doing something similar, giving 'go back to normal' as an option because otherwise the admins might just remove them anyway for not giving users a real choice.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 16 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Not really. The traffic they're getting from it is unsustainable and any would-be investor who is paying attention will notice this. This is really more a tactic to shatter the narrative that the mods do not represent the will of the general user and they are forcing the protests onto them.

[–] DarthRedLeader@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I don't know why I keep forgetting about the upcoming IPO, but the point about investors is definitely a good one. I do agree that whatever happens, this is a huge signal that Reddit admins have fallen out of favor with their userbase, which is certainly not tenable for functional company.

Honestly, I'd be shocked if Huffman is still CEO in 6 months.

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[–] Nightingale@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

The "funny" (mocking) content will get stale.

[–] andobando@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

It depends on what happens next. Short term there definitely isn't any harm. Longer term if the content stays as is it gets stale and dies. On the other hand if the people keep finding creative ways of posting content in this "new" format it seems like it breathes life into the site*___*

[–] root@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

From an ad revenue point of view, does this matter? Posts/ views/ clicks are all the same to them, no?

[–] SomethingBurger@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

People will eventually stop visiting if a subreddit no longer contains content that is interesting for them.

[–] Mishmash2000@lemmy.nz 11 points 2 years ago

This is terrible! I went to /r/steam to learn about steamed hams but they were clearly grilled! I'm not even sure they were hams?!? 1 star, would not visit again!!

[–] fsk@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

I was surprised that r/godot didn't turn into a discussion devoted to Samuel Beckett.

[–] Dogbane@pawb.social 10 points 2 years ago

People can complain all they want about reddit, as long as it's on reddit, reddit is fine with it. People do the same about twitter, youtube, facebook all the time and it doesn't hurt shareholders.

[–] wotsit_sandwich@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I love these wonderfully petty reactions to the Reddit issues.

Are there any other good examples out there for me to enjoy (I have already seen r/pics.)

[–] LufyCZ@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (2 children)

r/art is now only allowing artsy John Oliver pics...

[–] ewe@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago

It's perfect. It really should just be ONE thing that all the subs do (like john oliver related content). This will be funny to start, get old, and people will still enjoy posting it but it just won't end, they'll stop coming and reddit will die in a pile of John Oliver's sexiness from across all the big subreddits.

[–] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I honestly can't wait to see this episode of Last Week Tonight

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[–] DesTeufelsAvocado@feddit.de 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It makes me sad to see what happens on Reddit, but actions like this keep my hopes up. Not for Reddit itself, but for the community and its people, wherever it will be. :)

[–] d_bradr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Epic sub bouta get pretty poetic. Wonder if we can pull it off with other subs. Trees being about trees, Rimjob Steve being about a man named Steve who makes vehicle rims, Piracy with actual pirates, Cats vs tech being about cats actively destroying pieces of technology etc

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Trouble is there is both trees and marijuanaenthusiasts subs so that would kinda cancel each other out

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@lemmy.one 5 points 2 years ago (6 children)

On one hand, I really wish there was a RES add-on for Lemmy. Just so I could filter out the cascade of posts about reddit. I left the site and don't give a shit if it burns or not. On the other hand, this is pretty funny to read about.

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[–] jaydev@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Loving this age of anti-Reddit malicious compliance creating content for Lemmy!

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