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Do you want to readegermansmemessfrom ich_iel? Cause that's how you get german memes from ich_iel.

Has he shown change, though? Why would you just assume stuff like that?

Lol, you don’t believe in sovereignty, the right to self rule, or even in a group of people being able to defend against a group of people that you proclaimed to be fascist?

I don't take the interest of the people living in Ukraine as the same as the Ukrainian state. Which sovereign? The people, who supposedly is "the sovereign" or the system of power ruling over a liberal nationalist state with very strong repression on (leftist) activists.

Sounds like you just like fascist.

Please. This should be beneath you.

What exactly is abstract about people taking up arms to defend their families and loved ones?

You're talking about people and families, not about "Ukraine". You can use that abstraction, but I don't agree with the premise of that abstraction. I'd rather not subjectivize the state.

I am an anarchist. I would like to separate the power structure from the containing entities (i.e.: I disagree with the common understanding of the purpose of the state).

Or maybe a people are defending themselves against a fascist invasion? I don’t think the people of Ukraine really have a high opinion of their own government or the US in general, but they seem to be willing to fight against fascist.

The cis-men (and some trans women) were drafted. You're talking about the power structure again. There may be a lot of voluntaries, but derserters are not tolerated.

Like I said, if they were being forced en masse to fight against their will they would just be surrendering. You are once again repeating Russian propaganda.

A part of them literally are forced. I didn't say anything about "en masse".

Do you think that Russia is the only actor spreading propaganda? O.o It's even working in Europe: All of Germany (and I think France?) is incredibly hyped for militarization!

Sovereignty in the face of imperialist attempting to subjegate a people isn’t class war? Again, are you really that stupid?

You probably won't believe me, but I condemn any imperialism. Not just the one done by the "bad guys".

You are literally talking about a war between sovereigns. Are you trying to explain to me that war between sovereigns is actually class war? Was WW1 only a long and (mostly) failed proletarian revolution to you? Would you have been on the side of the SPD when they agreed to the war bond in 1914?

If so what would be your problem with NATO actually invading Russia?

... Would that be ok with you? / am not the one in the camp of "international law" and that borders may not be drawn by the sword.

I'd protest, too. Because I don't like either colonialism. I can condemn both Israel and Hamas, too.

You didn't specify much on the interest why NATO would do such a thing, so I can't properly get into your scenario.

Lol, right there… The idea that NATO is some diabolical decades long plan to destroy Russia is ridiculous considering that Russia was part of a NATO joint council and wanted to join up until the late 2000s.

You're strawmanning me. I implied that NATO is an imperialist instrument. It's an association of states to conduct war. Do you even have a proper definition of "Imperialism" that's not on the level of a Star Wars fan podcast?

NATO was nothing but a forum for the US to sell their arms

May I remind you that this discussion started with "no war but class war". Who profited from these deals? Do you think there is such a thing as a "stable arms economy"? On the planet where the people stating that there's no such thing as infinite growth on a finite planet are the communist lunatics? O.o

You are obviously not arguing in good faith, or are just incredibly stupid. Judging by your other post, it’s looking like you’re just an accelerationist …so incredibly stupid it is.

I think it's a shame that you feel obliged to steep to these lows. Feel free to not reply, if it upsets you that much.

Sorry, I'm not nationalist enough for this discussion. I don't agree to the abstraction that Ukraine is "defending itself". The Ukrainian state is forcing it's male population to die for national interest.

All that stuff about sovereign nations doesn't sound much like "no war but class war" to me.

When have I been "regurgitating pro Russian media"? Simply because I don't buy NATO's narrative about being a "defensive organization"?

Why are you telling me, lol? ^^

You do you. I taste the difference.

It does to me and my fellow coffee snobs.

Edit: Apparently, it's a bit more complicated than that. Microwaving briefly up to about 65° is the way to go, if you don't like cold coffee.

Cold, black coffee is still delish.

You are unironically correct. Cold (black) coffee is still great and reheated coffee tastes horrible.

No, propaganda is when Putin pays trolls to disagree with me online.

I recently listened to the solutions are already here by Peter Gelderlos, which I found quite enjoyable. Once folks like Bill Gates recommend a book on clima e I kinda lose interest. This one he probably won't recommend. ;)

It's also available as an audiobook on the audible anarchist podcast.

The dawn of everything isn't strictly about climate, but still quite good.