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[–] collinrs@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

He gave the children of HIV positive fathers, conceived via in vitro fertilization, resistance to HIV. I don't think it's as bad as everyone suspects. I'm not sure children conceived the normal way would have survived.

[–] argarath@lemmy.world 16 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hi, I am graduating in biotechnology and my professors discussed this in class. The main points they brought up were:

1: the technique used for gene editing in those test subjects was and still is not 100% specific. With the correct primers you can still have incorrect breaks in the DNA and incorrect adhesion of your gene of interest, pair of bases can be lost and/or introduced indirectly, causing mutations that range from luckily encoding the same aminoacid to a sequence break, altering all of the following aminoacids and resulting in either a truncated protein that luckily does nothing to a protein that results in who knows what damage to the cell. This is ok in situations where you're changing just a few calls inside or outside of the body, but when you're changing the genome of an entire person, that is extremely dangerous for no real gain because

2: the gene he edited was still being studied and was not guaranteed to give them immunity and it turned out they didn't gain immunity to HIV.

3: there are better ways to guarantee a baby is not born with HIV that are better known, do not involve possibly giving ultra cancer to babies and have been throughout tested before, they did not advance our scientific knowledge and put people's lives in danger for no guaranteed benefit besides his own ego.

There's a reason why the entire scientific community was against his actions, especially those who work with genetic editing.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 9 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Also - there are known negative interactions of that mutation with other diseases.

From wiki:

CCR5 Δ32 can be beneficial to the host in some infections (e.g., HIV-1, possibly smallpox), but detrimental in others (e.g., tick-borne encephalitis, West Nile virus). Whether CCR5 function is helpful or harmful in the context of a given infection depends on a complex interplay between the immune system and the pathogen.

What he did was flat out unethical and completely unjustifiable. If he had discussed the risks and benefits with the parents, ran it past an IRB, then maybe we could be having a conversation about the ethics of “playing god.”

Edit: also, he fucked up and the girls have mosaicism/no enhanced HIV resistance. Wonder how good a job he did with his CRISPR…