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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 16 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Ethics are supposed to throttle human activity. That's their fucking job. That guy is a goddamn sociopath.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 2 points 47 minutes ago

I thought this guy was the one doing the human throttling

[–] shekau@lemmy.today 1 points 19 minutes ago
[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 23 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

Is nobody concerned that illegal experiments on babies only gets you 3 years?

Maybe they were Uyghurs so it was classified as "property damage" in Chinese law.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 14 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Be careful, you might get banned from lemmy dot ml for hatespeech against dictatorships.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 4 points 46 minutes ago (1 children)

Everyone who opposes dictatorships is a Nazi or a liberal, who are also Nazis.

[–] SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 37 minutes ago (1 children)

Nazis, by definition, do not oppose dictatorships. Not sure where you got that idea, but it certainly wasn't a level-headed assessment of history.

[–] LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafe 0 points 26 minutes ago

I read it in Das Kapital, by Joseph Stalin. Don't you liberal anarkiddies read theory?

[–] Probius@sopuli.xyz 1 points 28 minutes ago (1 children)

Why did you self censor by saying "dot"?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

I wrote that on my phone's touch keyboard, and I didn't want to use \. to escape the dot character to avoid autohotlinking.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 hour ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair

Laws were changed after this incident:

In 2020, the National People's Congress of China passed Civil Code and an amendment to Criminal Law that prohibit human gene editing and cloning with no exceptions

So, in case you actually meant that weird ignorant remark you made about Uyghurs, the answer is no and no.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Dang, you can really just pull shit straight out of your ass and people will believe it.

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 8 points 1 hour ago (1 children)
[–] Tope@sopuli.xyz 1 points 26 minutes ago (2 children)

Asking out of curiosity what does that "ml" mean?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 13 minutes ago

Supposed to mean "machine-learning", but the developers of Lemmy (whose instance it is) are using it to mean "Marxism-Leninism", which is a misnomer invented by Stalin. While ml has some non-tankie leftists, that instance is infamous because of them.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 2 points 17 minutes ago (1 children)

Marxism leninism, it's a political ideology, subset of communism. Basically the communists that love USSR, China, Cuba, etc. They love running propaganda about how these authoritarian governments did nothing wrong and how all criticism of them is just negative propaganda by the West.

[–] Tope@sopuli.xyz 1 points 15 minutes ago* (last edited 14 minutes ago)

Thank you kind stranger. Now I get the .ml hate

[–] nicknonya@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

wait he's not a fucking parody account?? i thought he was like. larping as an umbrella corp researcher

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

Nah, I'm pretty sure that's the dude that used crispr on some babies years ago in an attempt to make them immune to HIV or something.

[–] Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org 104 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If a person's criticism is of "ethics" in general, that individual should not be allowed in a position of authority or trust. If you have a specific constraint for which you can make a case that it goes too far and hinders responsible science and growth (and would have repeatable, reliable results), then state the specific point clearly and the arguments in your favor.

[–] neatobuilds@lemmy.today 34 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

So if we put these extra pair of legs on babies then they can stand in more extreme angles making them better at construction at a time when there is a housing shortage

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 1 hour ago

For acceptance in the US we will also add more hands so the baby can hold an AR 15 while doing construction work.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I am convinced, I vote to allow it.

[–] spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I am in agreement, but a point of contention: only ONE extra pair of legs? Or is this negotiable?

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 hours ago

Spiderbaby, spiderbaby, does whatever a spider can, spiderbaby, spiderbaby, it's mother refused to nurse it!

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

And we already have a safety valve for when conventional ethics is standing in the way of vital research: the researchers test on themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-experimentation_in_medicine

If it's that vital, surely you would do it to yourself?

It's not terribly common because most useful research is perfectly ethical, but we have a good number of cases of researchers deciding that there's no way for someone to ethically volunteer for what they need to do, so they do it to themselves. Sometimes they die. Sometimes they make very valuable discoveries. Sometimes both.

So the next time someone wantz to strap someone to a rocket engine and fire it into a wall, all they have to do is go first and be part of the testing pool.

[–] kuberoot@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 hour ago

If it's that vital, surely you would do it to yourself?

You can't really do the kind of experiments being done genetically modifying growing infants on yourself, I imagine. Not that that should be an excuse, of course.

[–] hikuro93@lemmy.ca 49 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

Ironic thing, we already tried this approach multiple times before, specially on war times. And each time humanity concluded that some knowledge has too high a price and we're better off not finding out some things.

Knowledge for the sake of knowledge, especially with a heavy blood cost, isn't the way to progress as a species.

And I should know, as a person greatly defined by curiosity about everything and more limited emotional capacity than other people due to mental limitations.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 hour ago

If you're talking about unit 731 and the nazis then there was very little, if anything, scientifically valuable there.

They had terrible research methodology that rendered what data they gathered mostly useless, and even if it wasn't, most of the information could have been surmised by other methods. Some of the things they did served no conceivable practical or scientific purpose whatsoever.

It was pretty much just sadism with a thin veneer of justification to buy them the small amount of legitimacy they needed to operate within their fascist governments.

[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 11 points 3 hours ago

Also the motivation of such research is usually not purely scientific, if at all, so the data gathered is often useless.

[–] notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Holy shit, this guy managed to have 3 of the first 10 papers listed on google scholar about his shenanigans.

https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.4337

[–] psmgx@lemmy.world 17 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Do you want BioShock? Cuz this is how you get BioShock

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