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Discord was already succumbing to enshitification. Now with their intention to be owned by Wall Street, that trajectory will certainly accelerate at warp speed once the change of hands happens.

Anyone already get ahead of this and find a solid alternative?

Right now I'm on the fence between Element for Matrix, and Revolt. Both seem to have their pros and cons and I can't find a clear "winner".

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[–] Forester@pawb.social 88 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Honestly, I am ready to go straight back to TeamSpeak.

I miss hosting my own server and having full access and control over it

I used to just host it on a piece of shit. 2003 Dell XP machine I put Ubuntu on

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 16 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

There is also Mumble. TS3 era voip and text chat features, but it's FOSS.

[–] Forester@pawb.social 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

It was so featureless back when I last used it. I don't remember it having half the features ts3 had in 14

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Oh, it's basic af. But it did what it needed to do, and still does, for some.

I havent used it in ages, I have no clue what sort of stuff continued development has enabled. If anything.

My friend group went first from Skype to the massively better TS3, and finally to Mumble. I don't remember really missing anything.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

If they add federation I'm sold. Honestly it would be nice if it integrated with Activity Pub

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

It's not that kind of application. Federation would be massive overkill for a project like Mumble.

It's a voip server and client for video gaming, with a couple adjacent features sprinkled in.

It doesn't even really have accounts, and adding servers is just matter of configuring their IPs. What would you even use federation for?

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hell yah, TS3 crew all the way. (Or TS5 for the zoomers...)

My nerds herd recently also set up a cluster of Matrix Synapse servers so we got our little "We have Telegram at home" set up. Getting non-tech people to accept that this is how to find me has been tricky without sounding like a digital prepper.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (3 children)

: ( i was too dumb to follow the playbook correctly

i wanna have a matrix sever!

but I'll use snikket for now until i skill up

[–] Forester@pawb.social 3 points 17 hours ago

If you try to do calculus and don't have the understanding of the underlying math then you won't have a good time when ansible breaks. I'd advise it's normally better to learn how to manually install and manage software from the command line.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 6 points 23 hours ago

We believe in you, there are other write-ups and guides on how to get it working. Its was great learning expirence for VMs and Proxmox (thats what I did and it did make it harder, but I feel more confident when im cosplaying as a sys-admin)

Guide

This one is pretty close to whats needed, but go into it expecting each step to open a new tool/application that needs to be researched before you press enter. Also look up how to set it to a PSQL db before you start inviting users, it defaults to SQLite and that will cause problems eventually.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 4 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Why would you down-grade from Snikket to Matrix?

If you want to skill up a bit add a Slidge.im gateway to your Snikket xmpp server to access Matrix (and Discord etc.) from there.

[–] SidewaysHighways@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

that is actually what I've been thinking. xmpp with encryption seems good enough for me! plus I've heard some stuff isn't encrypted in matrix, (metadata? emojis? not exactly sure)

i am heavily leaning towards scaling up to snikkets big brother, prosody.

[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The currently common older implementation of e2ee in xmpp has the same issue with only the message body being encrypted. There are newer specs of OMEMO that have better metadata protection, but its adoption in xmpp clients has been very slow.

Prosody is more of a sandbox, with Snikket being a preconfigured version of it, but yes running Slidge will be a bit easier with a normal Prosody server.

[–] SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 23 hours ago

TS 6 looks so good. I can't seem to figure out it's release window though. Along with the mobile app being updated. Once those are done I plan to move over.

[–] kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I used to have a free lifetime server from someone that was giving them away, but he shut down after a few years.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 4 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] poVoq@slrpnk.net 8 points 20 hours ago

Maybe it was based on the "lifetime" of their hamster 🤷