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I can at least tell you why people vote Trump. All right here:
How Half Of America Lost Its F**king Mind
Posted that many, many times, but it's important enough to post forever. As true now as it was in 2016.
I've been on both sides of what the author is talking about, seen and experienced everything he touches on. Give it a read, it's important.
What I don't get is the bit at the end where it explains that Trump can be the guy they root for even though he is literally a smarmy big city elite who only goes to church for photo ops, doesn't pay his workers, etc. And the article is like, don't you root for Tony Stark and left-leaning talk show hosts, because they target the people you don't like?
And I'm like, no, honestly, those guys are insufferable. I need someone to explain why anyone likes them.
Also I grew up in a right-leaning area and I didn't understand their values any better when I was a kid, honestly. At least as a little kid I was religious, but when I got to high school and started asking tough questions at church it became obvious that our supposed religious leaders didn't have satisfactory answers to questions like "It would be immoral if I had the power to stop evil and didn't use it, why isn't it immoral for God to allow evil to exist?" So then I stopped being religious, too, which pushed me further out of their subculture.
(I guess some of my actual values aren't popular almost anywhere; I'm a pacifist anarchist which is fairly uncommon. So there has to be more to why people end up the way they do than where they live.)
"They hate every part of capitalism without hating capitalism" comes to mind a lot
Yeah and it’s a good piece, but there’s a huge hole or two in the reasoning. Namely that rural areas are aiding and abetting the forces that beat them down despite clear and rational evidence - in abundance - to that fact.
They’ve given up on reason. They’re hoodwinked, bamboozled, conned, and every other synonym despite clear facts and science.
And cities bad is not new, but it’s also where their hero lives. So ?
Also the thing about cheering for assholes is kinda thin.
I think it’d be better to make these arguments through the media trump voters consume. That’s the underlying mechanic of his argument anyway.
That tracks, it's Jason Pargin. He's the king of oversimplifying an argument and then hammering it into the ground, but it's always at least entertaining.
Careful, that's how I used to hear Joe Rogan described.
There's a pretty wide fucking chasm between Jason Pargin and Joe Rogan, but I take your point. Honestly I'm not sure it's necessarily a bad thing, the left could use a Roganesque figure; especially one who isn't afraid to call people on their bullshit rather than buy into it.
Yeah, that all checks out.
But their way of living is dying because that's what happens with industrialization. It's not exactly something people can fight. It's been happening for a loooooong time.
Like there aren't many, if any, ways to prevent it from happening either.
this is a good one, thank you