It can always be better but I think pure nature is even less fair and can be absolutely cruel. We are very spoiled of our cultural progresses living in a huge bubble where everything is pink and fluffy compared to "real life out there in wild nature".

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but I don't live in nature so what do I give a fuck? I just want people to stop being assholes to each other

[–] saimen@feddit.org 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I just wanted to point out that we humans already made life more fair. Of course it could be better and it sucks when people are mean, but at least we mostly don't just beat each other to death suddenly or dueling on the streets any more.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

While you're not wrong, this also isn't a counterpoint to what I said. I'm not sure if that was your intention.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Mean this with respect but it's not that simple. Bonobos have matriarchs and when there's a violent abuse like a rape, the female bonobos rip the others genitals off as a show punishment against their actions. Or how elephants care for and mourn their dead. If we were in the wild, our life wouldn't be that of a deer, rabbit or bear, we are a pretty unique species where most of our closely related within our genus are wiped so all we have left is to look at monkeys for simulatry. Be it today or 100,000 years ago, homo sapien was just as smart then as now.

[–] FrostBlazer@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

In a sense, we are integrated with the previous hominids. They didn’t go extinct so much they bred with early humans and their DNA is preserved in our own.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 days ago

Well yes and no, we did somewhat integrate them, but it in reality it was either we out fucked them leading to them being a tiny part of our DNA, or we did a cheeky genocide. I'm going towards the first idea

[–] saimen@feddit.org 0 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You list other animals as positive examples and then say yourself that our life wouldn't be like other animals.

When we were still small hunter gatherer groups, individuals who made problems or simply weren't strong enough or a bit sick would cold heartedly be left behind alone which was a death sentence for early humans sooner or later.

[–] Shezzagrad@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

This is unequivocally false and we have many examples of deformed individual from 8000+ years ago being not only bruised but cared for until a long age and in many cases decorated. Have you ever considered the possibility that unless absolutely necessary or atleast in most societies, most would care for the weak, sick, deformed, mentally ill. Your mindset of history comes from an hobbsian notion of the rough and brutish hunter gathers which has absolutely no scientfiic base

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/deformed-skull-of-prehistoric-child-suggests-that-early-humans-cared-for-disabled-children

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/science/ancient-bones-that-tell-a-story-of-compassion.html

Also read Dawn of everything and humankind for more sources and more then I could possibly give.

But simply put. You are incorrect

[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

now picture that bubble popping and nature has broken.