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[โ€“] brrt@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Element sadly collects metadata.

[โ€“] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Could be argued that Lemmy does too. I realise the use case is different but the risk feels similar. You can sign up with a anonymous username, your phone number isn't exposed and some Matrix instances don't even require an email (and if they do you can use an anonymising service). Its not great, I agree, but its also not that bad either.

My issue with Element X (and the reason I'm still using Element) is that X doesn't (yet) support Spaces. Again, not a huge issue, but annoying enough to stop me switching.

[โ€“] samsapti 5 points 4 days ago

SchildiChat Next, which is based on Element X, has implemented spaces.

[โ€“] Valmond@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lemmy isn't trying to be the paragon of security, but a totally open discussion thingy lol. It's like saying there is lower security in public speeches.

[โ€“] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 4 days ago

Which is why I said I was aware the use case is different. I'm also not sure Element is trying to be a paragon of security. As I understand it, their focus is on privacy.

[โ€“] brrt@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Iโ€™m not sure about which metadata is collected by Element, but it might be possible to correlate data, for example through fingerprinting. So it might be possible to know who the parties communicating with each other are and when and with whom they have communicated with, even though they did not provide phone/email.

With Signal, as far as I know and they claim, that is not possible. The only data Signal has is your phone number, when youโ€™ve signed up and when you last logged in.

So with my limited knowledge Iโ€™d say Signal is much more private for personal communication. Especially if youโ€™re not tech savvy and take additional measures.

And Lemmy is a social message board. There is no expectation of privacy here.

[โ€“] shekau@lemmy.today 1 points 3 days ago

Element is just a matrix client, and it doesnt collect data itself. What is relevant is choosing appropiate instance, which dont require you to use email etc