"Libs only vote and think that's enough! You're required to murder people to join the club!"
this post was submitted on 05 May 2025
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I misinterpreted your meaning, I think. Too used to people reading a dissenting view and brushing it off as "lib". Sorry about that.
I think it is more related to being neurodivergent and being multiple lists of people that RFK Jr publicly stated that he wanted to send to forced labor camps, as well being close to LGBTQ+ people. Choosing not to oppose these nazis, willfully, feels like betrayal. Betrayal hits differently than actions of known malignancies.
I did forget to mention them. Mainly because I think that those are the people who are acting ethically and actually trying to use the available tools instead of attempting to force armed conflict (likely inevitable at this point) or inflate their egos.
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Wait I think I said something about this
See what I mean? It's appropriate to be angry. Righteous, even. But pretending as if opposing fascism is only important when it personally effects you is childish. Democrats were actively assisting in a fucking genocide, and somehow you don't seem very angry with them for that culpability, let alone for crippling their own opposition campaign by doing so. There might be lots of reasons why your imagined non-voters chose not to vote for Kamala, but the huge one is right there in the issue you're angry about.
Yes, Trump is objectively worse, no question. But Democrats have been teaching voters for fucking decades that it doesn't matter what they want, they will only do what's politically expedient - it's their fucking fault so many people have lost sight of the importance of exercising what little democratic power they actually have.
It's a double standard to expect people to acknowledge that very reasonable feeling when millions of people have been feeling that way about the democrats for fucking decades. Yea, it sucks that you were abandoned, but how incredibly selfish of you to make that the problem of the other people who've been abandoned long before you ever were.
The start of a very mature sentiment, undercut by putting arbitrary guardrails around what you personally find to be 'ethical' and an imagined motivation.
You say that as if I have been politically engaged and working for positive change for decades.
You'd be very much incorrect there. I've been pissed off about it and engaged, again, for decades. Dems have been supporting the genocide since before I was born. They were still, in reality, the only chance of ending it in any way that does not involve the end of the Palestinian people. They were also the only choice that was opposing fascism.
It seems that we actually agree on a lot though you seem to be operating under the assumption that I only became aware of this bullshit when my privilege stopped being as significant as it once was. That's a pretty poor assumption to make and very much false. I've been engaged politically and in volunteering in my community to help those less fortunate in some manner, almost continually since I was 15 (with some gaps due to having been homeless and needing to see to my own survival or having been in a state of mental health crisis).
Now, I'm done engaging with this thread at this time. More important things to do than prove my leftist credentials or validity of my grievance against those who willfully refuse to oppose fascism when the situation is clearly spelled out for them with charts and illustrations, like watching my cat do laps up and down the hallway.
Yep.
Fucking gross. You can't acknowledge that the genocide has been happening 'for decades' and still believe they were the only option to end it without the end of Palestinians - the only way this would be true is if by what you mean as 'end' you mean 'complete, but slower'. Up until now the genocide might have been 'gentler', but it wasn't by any measure slowing down.
No, I'm saying your anger is justified, but you simply aren't granting that same righteous anger to people who have long since given up on the democrats and democracy. Yes, trump is fascist, yes, democrats were better. But popular discontent has been building since long before this election, and it was the Democrats who chose to not to pull those people back in and instead pushed them away.
I don't care about your leftist credentials. I want people to acknowledge that the problems with this election were so much bigger than the individual voter's shirking of responsibility. Placing the blame on voters isn't just selfish, it also deflects blame from democrats who have been fomenting the popular discontent for decades. If a fascist wasn't voted in this election, it would have been the next, or the next. Fascism is a systemic issue, and unless you're willing to deal with it systemically then the only possible outcome is violence.
I hope the party in-totallity has more maturity than you do.