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Vans and minivans do everything trucks and SUVs do, and they do it better. Every time. No exception. SUVs and crossovers are just worse minivans for people who think they're too cool to drive a minivan.

And those outside of North America largely need not apply. I wish we could just have a robust public transit system here, but apparently, public transit is antithetical to muh freedum or something. Or so they tell me.

And that's not even getting into the point the post makes, which is that these monstrosities are getting bigger and more dangerous to pedestrians, yet our governments do nothing to stop it.

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[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

F150 manual says something like 2200 lbs,

That’s for the f-150 each trim and modification lowers it. Want the v8 instead of v6, less payload. Entertainment and speakers, less payload. Captains chairs, less payload.

The manual tells you all of this as well.

[–] tcgoetz@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure, but that doesn’t give you an actual payload number. The only ways I’ve seen to get an actual number is the door sticker or the manufacturer tow calculator. You can get the VIN off of a dealer page and enter it like https://www.ford.com/support/towing-calculator with VIN 1FTFW5LD5SFB04598 and check out the 1340 lbs payload on that F150.

[–] SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Well that’s because a single item can change the end payload, they can’t tell you the specifics because of the massive variances in personal customizations.

You’re asking them to give you an exact number that doesn’t exist until it’s built and ready for delivery.

I added running boards at the dealership when I bought mine, guess what, less payload and that’s NOT in the sticker. Sound proofing? Less payload. Bed protector, less payload. They just can’t tell you mate.