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As always it’s the few idiots that ruin it for the well behaved, well meaning and progressive immigrants. As an immigrant I am very ashamed of some people from my country of origin for the things they do once they come to Western Europe.
I pay tax and I don’t break the law. Even if I’d the most conservative dipshit in the whole country they could be happy to have me because I pay fucktons of tax, I finance the retirement plan of some old racists and I got hired because there weren’t any qualified locals.
It’s a universal trait of humans to be capable of being an idiot. Every culture & every country has them. What does that have to do with me? Treating me like shit because someone else with my ethnicity did something wrong is the definition of racism.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. In an ideal world, things would function like this and we would judge every person in an individual basis. One issue is that migrants from different countries sometimes have vastly different socio-economic backgrounds and norms that are in general not compatible with common the average views and ways of life in the host countries.
That is neither good nor bad and is in no way any fault of the migrants themselves. Like in every group there are people with views more aligned to a more moral and liberal inclusive point of view and those who are not. What I argue is that we as humans have evolved traits to quickly judge and assess others based on characteristics and stereotypes as shortcuts (as described in Kahneman’s “Thinking fast and slow”). As a consequence, the actions of a few lead to a more widespread stereotype (which to be fair is based on facts) that is then applied to the general population belonging to the same ethnicity or minority. That is true in both negative and positive prejudice.
That was my whole argument. I abide by the law and pay taxes , have a higher education and I still am sometimes viewed in the same context as those from my nationality that steal, beg, destroy property, discriminate against people of other sexuality or beliefs or are behaving inappropriately in public. That is of course unfair and racist. My statement was that if there weren’t these people that do all of these there would be no basis for the kind of racism that exists against my ethnicity. Thank you for coming to my ted talk :)
Its not really those few migrants that are to blame, its the media they are more likely to cover crime committed by migrant and blow it out of proportions
Oh I’ve seen it first hand from begging to destruction of public property to starting fights, especially near train stations and - get this - stealing from a church.
Extrapolating from your few anecdotes which themselves are skewed by confirmation bias to whole populations is called racism.
Did you actually read my reply? I was saying that a few bad apples ruin it for the upstanding ones and that’s not racism, that’s a fact. My parents and I were and still are subject to racism by the indigenous population and sometimes I can’t blame them as the image is what it is.
Also saying everything that doesn’t coincide with your idealistic views is racism is a bit of a stretch. Right wing parties are on the rise from a time when they had single digit results. Do you mean to tell me that suddenly everyone is racist? That’s a bit simplistic.
Precisely, extrapolating from "a few bad apples" to whole populations is racism.
The indigenous are racist to your settler ass? Lol gtfo lmfo
Ok, I get it. Comprehensive reading is apparently not one of your strengths.
I gotta ask boer or zionist?
This is not surprising at all when you see how insanely inefficient and discriminating our integration is. If you are not allowed to work, have to live in a small home with plenty of other people and the government officials behave like absolute pieces of shit I would start to get bored/angry too.
Im not saying that its not happening, Im just saying that media coverage of migrants crime is disproportionate, it doesn't help to solve anything, it just adds fuel to the fire
The plural of anecdote is not data. Got any actual statistics so we know there's an actual issue and it's not just confirmation bias?
Sure, the number one nationality incarcerated after the native Population belongs to the Country i emigrated from. Central europe. Won’t go into more details as to not dox myself.
Lol, so your proof is "trust me, I'm from a group I've said is full of criminals."
Incarceration of a population may indicate over policing of a population. You still haven't said anything substantial. Do you expect anybody to take you seriously?
Then there is nothing I can say that would convince you. So if I say I whiteness it it’s anecdotal, if I cite the statistics it’s over policing. It’s fine to have your own opinion. Mine is based on the things I witness, things my surroundings witness, different news outlets and facts like the rate of incarceration.
I don’t really need a random internet stranger to take me seriously as I don’t gain anything from it. Just wanted to add to the discussion. I won’t feed the edgy teen troll anymore though. Have a good one.
So neither one of your two methods of proof that a whole class of people is awful are good (also you didn't cite any statistics), so I'm a teen troll?
Have the day you deserve.
No, rape is always bad, whether or not the media reports it.