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Joe Rogan on Trump's mass deportations: "I really thought they were just going to go after the criminals"
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They provide sex for people that want it.
Which is good for mental and emotional health
Not speaking of the sex worker mental health buddy. It's good for societies. See Europe.
So you are okay with an underclass of people suffering because you think it might be good for society?
I'm pretty suffering comes more from social stigma around sex and policies implemented around it creating gray spaces that people use to harm them.
Example: SESTA FOSTA lead to bans on social media centered around sex workers so their jobs became less safe without networks of people who can distribute warnings about violent johns or track down missing persons.
Would you enjoy doing sex work? Would you enjoy having sex with men that you were not attracted to, and needing to pretend that you enjoyed it? How do you think it would affect your relationship with your body? Put all of the legal stipulations you want for safety, etc, in this scenario. Do you think you wouldn’t experience harm to your mental health?
How would you measure mental health harm? Suicide rate by job?
Intimate jobs like dentists, doctors and vets have high suicide rates. Jobs that stress people's bodies like construction workers and farm workers have high suicide rates. Jobs with exposure to violence like police and military have high suicide rates. Jobs with high chemical exposure rates like chemists and manufacturing. These kind of jobs have risks. Sex workers tend to deal with the first three.
Should we start banning jobs based on mental health outcomes? Or should we just make sure whatever jobs people have they are treated with respect and recieve the healthcare they need to function. What we should be doing is making sure such jobs are conducted as safely as possible for everyone involved.
The supposed "concern" about sex workers mental health without concern for similarly mentally stressful jobs is usually a sign somebody is actually operating from a bad faith position about how sex work is "icky".
Nice assumption. Obviously I’m coming at this from a puritanical point of view. Absolutely none of this has anything to do with the research I shared, or my own experience of survival sex work. I must be a prude.
I think construction workers, farm workers, and dentists are all, yah know, necessary professions. We have to eat, we have to have places to live, we have to have teeth… There’s no need for sex workers. Ideally, we’d have UBI and the profession wouldn’t even exist. I’m not sure saddling someone with lifelong trauma so someone can get an orgasm is quite the same thing.
It’s funny how many “leftist” men lose their leftism the second the suggestion that se. work is inherently exploitative and harmful…
You didn’t answer my question either. You willing to suck a dick for $20?
The things that drive people to "voluntary" sex work is often the same stuff that everybody with a "voluntary" job contends with: education, rent, food etc.
I do think an obvious step is making sure those needs are met by society to reduce coercion.
As for the necessity of jobs, I don't think sex workers, drug dealers or butchers should be jobs that exist, but I would not outlaw those people for practicing jobs that I think shouldn't exist. I don't think those jobs should be illegal.
Banning sex work does little but create another power imbalance that predators use to exploit sex workers similar to how criminalizing drugs leads to more exploitation.
As for sucking dicks, I would rather do that than perform surgeries or butcher animals. If folks are only getting $20 bucks for a blowjob that seems criminally low.
Notice at no point I made the argument that sex work should be criminalized. You are arguing against points I haven’t made.
I don’t believe sex work should be criminalized, although I lean towards the Nordic model of criminalizing the actions of a purchaser. Sex work being criminalized is harmful to the people desperate enough to turn to it, because it adds to stigma which keeps them trapped in the profession and makes them vulnerable to further exploitation by the police.
My argument is that sex work is inherently harmful. Not that it should be illegal, not that it’s “icky” because sex, but that sex work does psychological damage to the people who resort to it. If one purchases the services of a sex worker, they are participating in a harmful and morally wrong act.
The Nordic model is a good legalization model but if the goal is to reduce exploitation then those exploitative pathways are almost always unmet needs like housing, education, etc. Addressing those is also a necessary step.
My argument is that a lot of work does psychological damage and that putting sex work in a box that says its uniquely damaging is the way to setup the argument that sex work is need of a unique solution to other exploitation. Which I don't think it is. So you may not have made certain points directly but you've definitely been making arguments that conservatives have used to argue for bans on sex workers or at least exempt them from laws intended to reduce exploitation (SESTA FOSTA being an example of a well meaning law that endangered sex workers)
If you're arguing that johns should be stigmatized, then I don't disagree. Its also something that seems like a normative position to me. That johns should be stigmatized also a position nobody argued against.
I do think the stigma that the sex workers recieve themselves for being exploited is also a normative position and that is a more dangerous thing than stigma against johns. Its also a major political obstacle to extending things like housing and social support to sex workers so it seems like an obvious thing people would expect would mention in these discussions and not see as an "argument".
Not sure about their own mental and emotional health though
The same could be said for working in retail.
Somehow I don't think it's quite on the same level
No indeed.
Sex workers are at least allowed to decline customers.
This reminds me of how white collar office workers bemoan to physical labourers how "at least you get to be outside, it's just so soul crushing to be in a cubicle you know" lol
Lets be honest that will change when the stigma is removed.
If it was removed
I mean I do that too
And roughly where are you located?
At my house bro
Whoa! I'm at my house! Are you me???
There’s no way to know for sure.
Don't most people provide a service in return for a payment
Yes, that’s good for society and the economy.
Do people need to do things out of their own kindness for it to be valuable?
I am great at my job. I don’t do it for free or out of the kindness of my heart.
you bring too dumb to use the correct there/their/they're is just perfect. It puts that extra zing to how dumb you make yourself look.
They're not making fun of you for having a different belief, but for having a stupid belief.
I could?!?! Why did no one tell me this before now?!?!?!
What kind of well taken care of prostitutes are you getting? I've only talked to one my entire life and she was offering pussy for $20 as I was yelling at her to get out of my car because I was picking someone up as an Uber.
So I've got this new business idea...