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Anarchism and Social Ecology

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Anarchism is a social and political theory and practice that works for a free society without domination and hierarchy.

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Social Ecology, developed from green anarchism, is the idea that our ecological problems have their ultimate roots in our social problems. This is because the domination of nature and our ecology by humanity has its ultimate roots in the domination humanity by humans. Therefore, the solutions to our ecological problems are found by addressing our social and ecological problems simultaneously.

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Poetry and imagination must be integrated with science and technology, for we have evolved beyond an innocence that can be nourished exclusively by myths and dreams.

~ Murray Bookchin, The Ecology of Freedom

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~Murray Bookchin, "A Politics for the Twenty-First Century"

There can be no separation of the revolutionary process from the revolutionary goal. A society based on self-administration must be achieved by means of self-administration.

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In modern times humans have become a wolf not only to humans, but to all nature.

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The ecological question is fundamentally solved as the system is repressed and a socialist social system develops. That does not mean you cannot do something for the environment right away. On the contrary, it is necessary to combine the fight for the environment with the struggle for a general social revolution...

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~ Murray Bookchin

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[–] dontsayaword@piefed.social 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't the whole protest an anti authoritarian bloc?

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

No lol, it's anti-Trump specifically. These people have no problem with most other rulers or systems of oppression.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole thing is liberal and doesn't go far enough,

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)
[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Sounds like they need to host more armed protests so people can get used to having guns around.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah but I feel like this is more of an organizational/training failure. Not sure how it’s connected to the organizers being liberals. But feel free to explain if there is some connection I’m not seeing.

[–] KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've felt this constant obnoxious condescending attitude from the "No Kings" posts that feels a lot like I'm being talked down to; coupled with adding words like PEACEFUL in ALL CAPS and pre-emptively broadcasting that they will not fight back no matter what.

Statements like that are so confidently unaware (or willfully ignoring) of that actual danger that we are all in. They're screaming, publicly, that their movement will not fight back, which is just inviting police and federal agent abuse. The constant messaging to remain "PEACEFUL" and that "WE WILL NOT ENGAGE" (again - all caps) very much echos how liberal Democrats in Congress are downplaying this fascist takeover.

These voices act like holding a No Kings protest will just force Trump to stop by their popularity, like it's a vote where 3% of the population showing up means MAGA gets de-facto stopped. They ignore that the 3% figure comes from movements that did not openly brand themselves "PEACEFUL" and tell members "WE WILL NOT ENGAGE". It feels like it's being led by people who learned about Martin Luther King Jr. but never the Black Panthers.

That said, I've been to events and and will go to this month's event on October 18th, as a recruiting opportunity for a local group, but I don't deal with the actual march, and I'm not blindly following orders from some rando with a megaphone.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago

It feels like it's being led by people who learned about Martin Luther King Jr. but never the Black Panthers.

Lol, those are called liberals

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 points 4 days ago

Yep, "authority for me but not for thee."

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who are “these people” that you speak so confidently about?

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Liberals, specifically the organizers of No Kings.

[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

[Citation provided.]. E.g.:

We refuse to live under the rule of self-appointed kings.

I.e., kings that we choose are fine.

We believe in fair representation, free speech, and a government that serves the many, not the privileged few.

i.e., representative democracy is an acceptable system of oppression. Government is an acceptable system of oppression

We Stand Against Unchecked Power.

Implying that they don't stand against "checked" power

For American liberals in general, see the 2024 Democratic Party platforms (PDF). Notice the lack of commitment to abolishing capitalism (even in the long term!). For liberals around the world, see the party platform for each liberal organization. For liberals throughout time, open any important work of classical liberal philosophy, e.g. Locke's Two Treatises on Government where private property and enclosure is advocated for.


Obviously I'm being a little sloppy in my citations because (1) I just woke up, and (2) is the fact that liberals support certain systems of oppression (e.g. private property, existence of capitalism and the State) supposed to be controversial? It's really not, even amongst liberals. Like do I really have to cite the facts that objects fall when dropped or that 1+1=2? I can (Newton's Principia and Russell and Whitehead's Principia, respectively), but for most purposes these are obvious physical facts. Same with liberals supporting systems of oppression. Because basically every time I tell a liberal "hey you really shouldn't support these systems of oppression because they conflict with the principles you claim to hold" they basically scream at me like "WELL WE SUPPORT THESE SYSTEMS OF OPPRESSION BECAUSE YOUR IDEAS ARE IMPOSSIBLE AND YOU NEED TO JUST SIT DOWN AND ACCEPT OUR HIERARCHIES AND SHUT UP OR THE SUN WILL EXPLODE AAAAAAA". Just try it. Make a throwaway account on .world or R*ddit, pick a random liberal and pick the first hierarchy and system of oppression they inevitably defend and start a debate. You'll see, very quickly and without the decorum they expect from everyone else.

To be clear, I'm absolutely thrilled to see liberals standing up and doing something, even if it's just a little bit, but that does not mean that they can't do better. In particular, even if the No Kings movement completely and utterly succeeds at their goals, the system that results would still need to be smashed because it would still be a system of oppression and unjustifiable hierarchy, i.e. the former status quo that destroyed billions of innocent human lives. Honestly...it would be a system still on a course that leads to a Trump-like fascist dictator, because fascism is capitalism in decay.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No offence, but this reads like

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No offense, but if history started today then yeah you'd be right...but I've been paying attention to the No Kings movement since it started. I'm making my judgements based on the totality of the organizers' actions and words. Sorry I haven't been keeping a logbook of my every interaction with their rhetoric so you can audit my judgement, so you'll just have to either trust my judgement or agree to disagree.

The analog to your meme would be:

Me: I think that we should have a choice of pancakes or waffles.

No Kings: We hate pancakes and we hate pancake enjoyers. We will work with the cops and give them your information if you say you like pancakes. (We also gave the waffle lovers' information to the police.)

... a few weeks later ...

No Kings: I like waffles

Me: They hate pancakes

You: *Post meme* See how unreasonable you're being?

And I absolutely hate this meme because we're not picking between pancakes and waffles, we're picking between pancakes and dog shit. The world liberals advocate for is completely dog shit compared to even the most reformist leftist or anarchist. It's not even close! (Similar remarks apply for what I think was the original context, which was liberals vs. conservatives respectively.)