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[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 66 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Two things probably:

Don't tariff our chips

Deepseek bad, pls ban

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

You forgot the 1 million dollar ~~bribe~~ donation

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Idk. Doesn't Deepseek motivate a lot of other companies to try to do something similar? They might end up selling more

[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, competition is good, but these ball garglers only want to make competition illegal so they can capitalize on monopoly.

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Absolutely. So much of the libertarian argument for capitalist competition fall apart when faced with the reality of monopolies and oligopolies that control the markets. It's honestly such a farcical ideology.

That's a nice straw man you've got there. Where did discussion about libertarianism come from? Are you implying that Trump is somehow libertarian (that joker was booed relentlessly at the LP convention) or that the US is in any way libertarian?

The libertarian argument is that antitrust exists to fix problems the government itself created.

For example, why does Nvidia dominate AI. It's not because they bought all competition, AMD and Intel exist. It's not because their hardware is better, AMD and Intel have access to the same fabs. The main reason is CUDA, Nvidia's GPU compute API, which is protected by copyright, as in, government protectionism. Many libertarians don't believe in IP law, figuring laws against fraud are sufficient, and those that do think it should exist want dramatically shorter protections (e.g. 5 years for patents, 10 for copyright). And then there's the argument of whether copyright should even apply to APIs like CUDA, and many libertarians would say no. If AMD and Intel could create CUDA compatible devices, Nvidia wouldn't have nearly the lead it does.

Also, a proper libertarian government would have so little overlap with the economy that a CEO visiting the White House wouldn't really be a thing because there's nothing to gain from that visit. Presidents shouldn't be selectively tarriffing products, in fact that should be illegal since it's direct market manipulation. If we do tariffs, they should be broad impacting all imports from all countries. The only selective tariffs that should exist would be from something like a carbon tax, where products are forced to pay for pollution generated in their production.

I really don't see what libertarianism has to do with this story (neither Jensen Huang or Donald Trump are anywhere near libertarian), but I'm happy to have a discussion about it.

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

You have a point, nvidia did make the 4090D which was a slightly cut-down 4090 to get over the sanctions and continue selling to china.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The separation of corporation and state is as important as church and state. This flaw has never been exploited so severely, but a failure of any truly patriot legislators to see the importance of quickly working to build systematic protections against this is unforgivable.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

If only 99.9% weren't corrupt bastards

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Tbh i would consider economics a cult. When you start caring about fractions of fractions of your smallest unit of currency, there's something wrong

Not understanding something doesn't make it a cult.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

imagine being as smart as jensen huang and having to talk to a big orange baby....

trump's circle is generally sycophantic morons like musk and zuck. jensen might actually be the smartest person trump has ever talked to

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 25 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Homie just released the most underpowered GPU configurations we have ever seen. I'd say he's just like the lot of them.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 37 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

sure nvidia is being a shitty and greedy public corp capitalizing on a massive tech bubble... stock price has to go up forever. nothing surprising here....

but jensen huang has been at the helm of nvidia for ~~a long time~~ the entire existence of nvidia and is undeniably a smart MF'er.... and i'm not even some kind of nvidia fanboy.

AMD for life... and dr. lisa su is even smarter than cousin jensen. i just hope she doesn't come out as a trump bootlicker as well

[–] FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

As a linux guy i've been putting my money on AMD, but we have to be realistic. If AMD's board/investors demand Lisa suck the orange oaf's dick, she'll be on her knees before him.

[–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They said smart, not a good person.

I hate it, but that's what happens without competition.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IMO the only smart capitalist is Gabe. His consumers would murder for him. But Nvidia just needs someone with comparable and cheaper GPUs to come along and their toast. Thats why they captured the market and then locked their shit up after everyone was using it and designing for it.

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

Don't think so there have been times in the past where AMD has been as good and even better the Nvidia. And it didn't move the needle much. There might have been game issues with AMD then I can't remember

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The average iq in that room would be incredible if it wasn't for Trump.

[–] 9488fcea02a9@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

only one of those two is stable genius!

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 29 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Y'all think the Tariffs on TSMC will come up?

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago

100%, nvidia doesnt have its own fabs, and I dont think anyone wants to use intels fabs for gpus, as it would have been a regression in performance. if the tariffs last for Trumps entire presidency, pricing for nvidia products,. especially since they have huge interest in breaking into the mainstream arm audience down the line, is in danger.

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

“How can we prevent deepseek from being adopted bc of the free market and such”

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 15 points 3 weeks ago

We'll know if he's successful because Trump will start wearing leather jackets.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

JFC...

Please daddy Trump what can you do to stop Chinese AI progress from making me less filthy rich?! It's a disgrace to be less filthy rich!

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Jensen doesn't care, people are buying 5090s to run deepseek locally on them

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Shit must be bad.

How're Chinese GPU/AI chip designs coming along?

[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 weeks ago

the problem most competitors that arent nvidia is that they do not have the devloper ecosystem that N idia has entrenched. even the recently released deep seek ai, still fundamentally uses nvidia based code.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago
[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

There's a reason why AMD is superior.

[–] TechAnon@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

Team AMD from now on!

Yup, fantastic Linux support. I don't understand what that has to do with this article though...

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2069436850145993

50 States, 50 Protests, 1day

Feb 5 @ your downtown.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago
[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Daddy Trump please stop the bad chinaman, stop hurting me stock price!!!!!!