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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/25627002

By Yasmine El-Sabawi in Washington
Published date: 5 February 2025 02:09 GMT

"On Tuesday, at a stunning joint press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Trump announced the US will be taking over and running Gaza, potentially for the foreseeable future.

“Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent,” Trump told reporters after a three-hour meeting with Netanyahu. "

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[–] gi1242@lemmy.world 94 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

the geniuses who said "im not voting for Harris because of Palestine" must be feeling really smart right now

[–] ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org 25 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They will tell you that this result was inevitable and to look at the positive side of things (what ever this may be). Which is easy to do or say since they are not Palestinians

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which means their protest votes were meaningless. So it's a weird excuse that they're making.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No, their protest votes were not meaningless

They actively put trump in the whitehouse.

The American electoral system gives a voter the choice of potentially improving things (Dem) or actively making things worse (Rep). Given FPTP and the heavy use of propaganda, all other options (spoiling, abstaining, third party voting) equate to a republican vote, there is no other reality.

If an American did not vote Democrat in the election that just passed, they voted for complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the gutting of human rights in the USA—they didn't even try to hide what they were going to do this time. There is zero excuse.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry, to clarify, I mean they were meaningless in terms of doing anything about stopping any genocide.

And now we can add more genocide in the U.S. to what is going on in Palestine.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

all other options (spoiling, abstaining, third party voting) equate to a republican vote

no, only a republican vote is a republican vote.

[–] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Equate doesn’t mean it’s literally a republican vote, I see what you’re trying to say but mathematically they’re correct.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

mathematically, a republican vote is +1 for Republicans. any vote that is not for Republicans is +0 for Republicans.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If an American did not vote Democrat in the election that just passed, they voted for complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza and the gutting of human rights in the USA

this just isn't true. even most republicans weren't voting for that.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"I voted the fascist megalomaniac because eggs were too extensive. Who could have seen this coming?"

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

the people who voted for him probably don't think he's a fascist megalomaniac.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I wouldn't make that generalization. A lot knew and liked the idea.

[–] nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

i think 20 is a lot of nazis, so i don't know what you mean by a lot knew, but i seriously doubt it's a majority of his voters.

[–] gi1242@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

downvotes? me thinks some of those geniuses are here.

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They still blame it on Biden and Harris.
One argument I see a lot is that it's somehow Kamala's fault by not trying hard enough to win their votes.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's next level stupid, that's for sure.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

It makes me angry that you used the word 'a lot', because this means you're seeing multiple instances of something so stupid I struggle to believe even a single person has ever had that thought.

Well, those who were payed to got their pay and don't care, and those dumb enough to fall for their logic and regurgitate it will just pick up on whatever The Next Big argument being regurgitated is. Something something this only server to support my argument something something was needed to show how flawed the system was something something.

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[–] Embargo@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This guy is an evil cunt. Prove me wrong.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Challenge rating: Impossible

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Desire rating: Meh.

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

I'm certain this was exactly Kamala's plan. She never said the magic combination of words that means she believes exactly what I want her to believe, so obviously this would have happened either way.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cool, I'm sure the rest of America will still get no apology from the people that kept telling us Kamala/Biden were jUsTaSbAD. So he's going to be incredibly worse not just on Israel, but far worse in every other fucking single way.

Thanks guys!

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[–] Damionsipher@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To be clear, Trump is now openly promoting genocide. I considered this administration fascist up until now. Now, they full ass Nazis. Any American not going to the protests tomorrow and participating in a full on general strike is complicit with Nazis.

[–] Ronno@feddit.nl 10 points 2 weeks ago

I agree with your first two sentences, but not with your last one. You have to take into consideration that many people are in different situations. If you have trouble making ends meet, if you need your job to feed your family, you might not be inclined to risk your job to protest. What I'm trying to say is, not all people that don't protest are Nazis. Stating they are creates another layer of polarization that isn't bringing us anywhere near a solution. And yes: Us. even though I'm not a US citizen, it unfortunately affects the world.

[–] deathbysnusnu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I bet someone in that shitty Trump family will be first to build and exploit.

[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

Yes Kushner.

[–] TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I want to see the convoluted logic the mental gymnasts who pushed forth against voting for Biden so Trump wouldn't get elected on issues like Palestine come up with. It's an art.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Anyone who voted for Biden is an absolute moron.

~…he wasn’t the candidate~

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Well, there was the primary, so people could have voted for him in 2024 reasonably at some point in the year.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

It’s an art.

It's a standard and often-used propaganda tactic, popular with the Russians, among others.

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[–] TheRagingGeek@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This news has me worried that Gaza will be the new camp for "undesirables" that we're struggling to deport. I sure hope I am wrong.

[–] MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not likely after his "Riviera of the Middle East" and knowledge that his son-in-law Jared Kushner has ties will wealthy people in that area. They're probably salivating to scoop up that land for pennies on the dollars (or free) and have all their wealthy backers develop the land as a resort for the wealthy.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

The really neat trick is the land is way too risky as it stands for any developer to take on even putting aside the horrific context. There's just too much dangerous stuff lying around.

So he spends US government resources to get things nice and ready by spending taxpayer money and then hands it over to his family to make their money when the area is suitably ready.

Just like the sovereign fund where he wants to toss a bunch of tax money into a fund and then use that fund to give to Elon so Elon can use taxpayer money to buy TikTok, while the US government makes TikTok worth less through screwing with their business.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Nah, Trump sees "Gaza Strip" and two things pop into that despicable brain of his:

  • Sweet Mediterranean beachfront territory ripe for resorts
  • The word "strip" means it should be like the Las Vegas strip

His camps are going to be in places he sees as unambiguously devoid of potential.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Called it. Good job to the idiots who voted for this or didn't vote at all and allowed Trump to win. Nice work.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

And now it causes more infighting and alienation to fester till next election too.

Lose-lose situation all around. It happened and we're right to be angry at those simply too naive. But it's also incomprehensible amount of money at play here doing its work. They won, they played the game we were too "righteous" to engage in.

The best con ever pulled was convince Democratic wings globally to be the "better one" while Nazis get to just bursh it off.

It is GG. I hope I get to live to see this get turned around, but honestly? Highly doubt it. We might see Nazis fuck up enough that they lose one cycle to then turn it around and have another Trump just mop the floor and do a great reset 3.0.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 3 points 2 weeks ago

This must've what Hitler said about Poland

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

We will deport them to Greenland!

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