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Weird how people have been so brainwashed into using that euphemism that they even apply it to a nation hostile to them, actively waging a war.
Russia’s “ministry of defence” is pretty reminiscent of in 1984, Oceania’s “ministry of truth”.
defense or defence
Same same, first one is US, the other is UK spelling.
I'm German, you guys figure that out amongst yourselves.
I'm Dutch.. so we need to balance it out.
Swede in France here, défense please.
Or försvaret of course if you want to go down that road.
Puolustuspa, perkele.
And Luxemburg sanitary infrastructure exceeds that of russia, I'm sure.
Russians have way more outdoor plumbing I bet!
Mostly gas piping though.
I thought about outdoor toilets ...
And it's all burning in a pile in Ukraine along with Russia's economy
The problem is that a) it's not true and b) even if it was, there is not anything to buy for that money.
Russia is running out of hardware, what are they going to do, throw rubles at the Ukrainian defenses?
Russia not only has a massive sabotage-and-disinfo campaign, they also have semi-allies running the US now.
They have NK meat, but that's running out too.
They still have lots of T34 that they haven't used.
I was hearing about how Russia was out of ammo and fighting with sticks and rocks two and a half years ago.
Well then you were badly informed.
2.5 years ago all the propaganda was : "sanctions doesn't work!!" (Please remove them)
I didn't say I believed it, just that "Russia is about to run out of ammo!" Has been the cope for a long time now.
I have sincerely not heard that they'd run out like 2 years ago. We all knew they had enormous stockpiles of soviet gear, how can you not know that? Or if you did, discarded the crazy talk?
Today is another matter, they are running out, and relies on North Korea for shells and more.
Well I absolutely heard it, as early as mid 2022.
Or if you did, discarded the crazy talk? Today is another matter, they are running out,
Yes, I've heard the cycle of "well obviously it's wasn't true then, but this time they really are running out of ammo" quite a few times over the years.
Lol ok
I mean, this is from May 2022, from a guy known to be fairly pro-Ukraine:
Q: Initially, it was said that the Russians were still keeping their really good weapons. A: It looks like they don't have much left to throw in there apart from missiles. The Russian army is facing a catastrophic defeat. It has already lost its nimbus.
[Translation via DeepL]
Well nobody not living under a rock knew that wasn't correct. The error 3 years ago was quite the opposite, we thought the russkies had a great army!
Yes, I’ve heard the cycle of “well obviously it’s wasn’t true then, but this time they really are running out of ammo” quite a few times over the years.
I look forward to hearing it again next year
You can hear it right away:
Lol ok
I was hearing the same about Ukraine but I just keep seeing videos of dead Russians weird.
I'm not sure what your point is?
Russia still is very capable, has tons of hardware, and is making more. The air force is still looking really good.
Running out doesn’t mean, they will ever actually run out. It just means a weapon will be used more rarely.
They produce around 10 tanks a month, refurbished included. They lose that in 2 days.
Their airforce is looking good? Then where is it? Where is the air superiority? Nowhere to be seen because they'd get shot down.
You're right that they will not run out like I run out of milk, but if you can't replace the losses of tanks and infantry vehicles, you have suddenly to rely on unprotected vehicles and human meat waves. They will not run out totally either, but it will stop them and the possibility to kick them out grows.
Only if you convert rubles by "purchase power parity" as opposed to the market rate, which seems like a weird way to manipulate data to fit some narrative.
Not that weird if most of that spending is domestic.
PPP is a useful measure to compare wealth although it’s usually based on goods like bread and not tanks. There’s a grain of truth here as the difference in wages alone makes for a huge factor in the overall cost. Having access to many raw materials is a big boon for Russia too.
Germany pays their soldiers multiple times what Russians get. There’s also lots of money just spent on pensions for retired soldiers. That money doesn’t lead to any military capability. A huge part of defense spend on goes into personell. Richer countries, not only pay better, they also offer more benefits. Healthcare for example is cheaper in Russia as well.
Comparing spending one to one does not lead to a conclusive answer.
What you actually need to compare is capabilities, volume, readiness, training, and so on.
Another example: NATO often trains winter warfare in Norway, a notoriously expensive country. Russia has much lower costs to conduct exercises for the same environment.
Then there’s existing infrastructure like factories, repair yards, storage bunkers, etc. Europe is still scaling up and building to match Russia’s production rates. Building a new factory, training staff, etc. takes a lot of money and time. Russia is years ahead in many of these areas. Building up from zero is far more expensive than increasing the number of shifts of an existing factory.
So with parity in spending, Russia will have much stronger capabilities than Europe. Europe needs to outspend Russia significantly to catch up and match.
It's so frustrating how long Europe has been ignoring its need to be self sufficient in military defence. Even with a literal war going on next door and russia actively turning the political systems upside down.
You’d think the war would be going well for them then
EU defense needs to get upped, functional and efficient asap.
That said, Im not sure which data was used here by FT, but reports I've read include Russia currently adding repairing ancient (WWII ) military equipment to a net total production value. I.e. the real added value is considered much lower.
defence or military spending?
What happening with drones on Ukraine shows that money doesn't always translate to success. When a couple hundred dollar drone can destroy a million dollar tank spending doesn't seem a good proxy
This should worry Europe even more because Russian troops have a real life experience in this kind of warfare.
Yeah. That is true
Is that because the rupees have been hyperinflated?