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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Valve has made an emasculatingly large amount of money this way. Following in the footsteps of Id Software, Valve has been very open with their development tools. I don't know about the very earliest copies but the ZOMG GOTY edition of the original Half Life included its SDK on the disc. Counter Strike and Team Fortress started out as mods that Valve just...hired.

Releasing the tools to their customer base and then hiring the cream that rises to the top is a strategy I struggle to get mad at.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 53 minutes ago (1 children)

Thinking back, HL had a ridiculous quantity of high quality mods and TCs back in the day. Hell, Valve have even allowed HL to be remade and sold on steam.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 1 points 34 minutes ago

"We'd prefer you didn't use the word "Source" in the game title. You wanna sell Black Mesa on Steam?"

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 11 points 2 hours ago

it only took 18 years and also several years of radio silence after some mod authors asked them to clarify the legality of their work

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

You're a good doctor!

[–] capt_kafei@lemmy.ca 64 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Wow, this is an awesome move! We are honestly so lucky that Valve hasn't enshittified like so many other gaming companies out there.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 hour ago

I would say the marketplace is a form of enshittification. They're not burrowing headfirst into the shit like some platforms, but it's an inevitable trend regardless.

Plus who knows what happens when gabe isn't around any more. Best case scenario is he leaves the company to the workers as a co-op and then it has a chance to be a lasting legacy, but maybe it goes to someone who puts it up to be publicly traded and that's game over.

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 65 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

That's because Valve isn't owned by investors

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 hours ago
[–] Bubs@lemm.ee 91 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

A few takeaways from the move:

  • Any modifications must be released as mods
  • Players downloading the mods must own the base game
  • The mods must be free and no aspect of the mod can be monetized.
  • The mods can now access TF2 steam inventory for cosmetics and weapons (but cannot modify the inventory)
[–] glimse@lemmy.world 63 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

Ugh, greedy Valve making you spend $0 to buy the base game

[Edit] ok I read the article after making that joke and I see that it applies to several other valve games, not all of which are free to play

[–] Bubs@lemm.ee 14 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

Lol. It's so greedy of them!

Jokes aside. It's an interesting distinction to make. Even though the source code is freely available, it doesn't mean developers have free reign to do anything they want like they could with open source software. Apart from special circumstances, everything made with the source code will still be mods.

[–] BeardedGingerWonder@feddit.uk 2 points 51 minutes ago

It does harken back to the original HL mod scene though - some high quality stuff came out of that (and valve picked up the Devs too)

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

You can't do whatever you want with open source either. One big stipulation of copyleft licenses is the share-alike clause, which means you can't make modifications and then decide your program is now closed-source, so it protects the code from being enclosed again.

I mean yes you can make whatever modifications you want, generally, but it's not totally unrestricted.

[–] misk@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, as a resident Valve hater I agree it’s a weird thing to get angry over.

If there was anything to get angry over is that I bought this game in a box (stand alone because I was too broke for Orange Box!) with an understanding that it’s an online multiplayer shooter. Meaning, there are servers you join manually from a list, shoot at other guys for a bit and return to that server or not based on how good time it was. This functionality has been ripped out of the game and replaced with some weird algorithm. Before that Valve broke their own design promises of clear silhouettes which made the game less accessible. The game has been dead, riddled with bots farming in-game items that can be traded for real money that Valve added to the game because they could. If it was any other game I wouldn’t care but TF2 started out as an amazing game that was mangled beyond recognition by Valve greed.

They should have released TF2 source code this way 10 years ago. They’re probably doing this now because income from TF2 related items on Marketplace is laughably small compared to their other titles.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

This functionality has been ripped out of the game

Nope, see the server browser ingame

The game has been dead, riddled with bots

Not anymore!

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 hours ago

The server list is still there fwiw. But yeah the matchmaking update was awful.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.bascul.in 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Aside from TF Classic and Pre Fortress, Pass Time 4v4 community is also planning for a mod release.

[–] Anegro_Montoya@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Goddamn, I miss those days! Got a real graphics card for TF2 (edit: I meant TF Classic) so I could see through water. Rocket jumping and cluster bombs, ahhhh. There was a mod with a grappling hook that was amazing.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 5 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

3dfx cards were cheating! I can't see through water with my 1998 Packard Bell!

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

What's the point in switching to TFC anyway when QWTF was still quite alive and well with tons of mods(particularly on mplayer)!

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 1 points 12 minutes ago

MPlayer. Your gaming cred checks out. How are your knees doing these days?

[–] the_q@lemm.ee 7 points 3 hours ago

Sup, fellow old person. I had a Voodoo 2 with 12MB of VRAM on my 200MHz Packard Bell.