Ex-PlayStation exec argues 'only the dog can hear' differences between consoles and gaming PCs: 'They're all quite similar' : pcgaming

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So the fact that I can’t choose between mouse and keyboard or controller or change the FOV in the settings makes me a dog I guess.

[–] Paddzr@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

And pay extra to be able to use the fucking internet on the machine.

[–] JakobFel@retrolemmy.com 6 points 6 days ago

Delusion isn't a good look!

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Mods would like to have a word with you

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 72 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yeah, they're quite similar, on one I can play online for free, get tons of indies and demos, play with any controller I want, as well as have access to a bunch of non-gaming features, and on the other.. I have to buy giftcards to use the online store because despite the fact that the console is sold here there's no option to register psn in the country, which means it won't take my card

Almost unnoticeable :3 /s

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not to mention the PC won't be a brick when they inevitably shut down servers someday

[–] piccolo@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 days ago

Or ban your hardware because you wanted full control of your own hardware.

[+] MY_ANUS_IS_BLEEDING@lemm.ee -20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

One costs £400 for the whole console, the other costs £800 just for one component.

[–] 30p87@feddit.org 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

There are PCs literally cheaper than the PS5 (Pro), but better. Not to mention, with much more capabilities.

Also, show me a 800€ case (excluding Regner Cooling)

[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 7 points 1 week ago

Don't have the ps5 (had enough of sony with the ps4), but honestly the extra 700€ or whatever it works out for my setup when compared to the console was worth it just for the fact I don't have to have my headphones cranked to max to hear the dialogue over the fans, let alone everything else that's just plain better x3

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I think OP here has a point though.

The PS 5 pro has been said be roughly equivalent to a 7700 XT with a AMD ryzen 7 3700X and going through PC part picker, using the cheapest parts it's 936 dollars which is more than the PS5 pro 699 price.

Also, that console buyer isn't the user that's going to build a computer themselves either so they'd have to buy a pre built, which would be over 1K. Plus the console person only wants to game and isn't going to be all that interested in the additional features, there's is a slightly different use case for consoles.

[–] alessandro@lemmy.ca 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's worth notice few things; the GPU isn't "a part", GPU is "THE" part. You can't find a viable second hand market for ps5 hardware, but you can find second hand market for 3generations of nvidia RTX (20x0, 30x0, 40x0), a AMD, to get all around the ps5 potential.

You can buy an inexpensive PC with integrated GPU and play indie and AAA titles in very low specs.

Ps5 doesn't come with AAA graphics until... well, you don't spent AAA prices for each game. How much for 10 AAA games? 70€x10= 700€

On PC isn't just cheaper: all your games in your library gets the push up to the additional TFLOPS (PS5 require you to buy PS5 games in order to be tailored around the PS5, not ps4). With emulation ROMS (legal if you have the original copy), you get the push up in graphics for all the games you already bought: running that old ps1 game at 8k 60fps? Can't see why not.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The different use case is why I don't even really care about consoles, I just don't want one at all.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world -2 points 1 week ago

Okay.

[+] Viri4thus@feddit.org -9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This type of PCMR regarded takes is what lets NVIDIA charge 950€ for what should essentially be a 5060 card.

Get a steamdeck instead of a PS5 every day of the week but arguing you can build a PC for the price of a PS5 (now selling as low as 400€) is downright regarded...

[–] knightly@pawb.social 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Look, I'm with you on the steam deck, but you really can build a roughly comparable PC for the same price as a console these days. Granted, it'll have an older video card that might not include the RTX cores that are apparently mandatory in some new AAA titles, but it'll still have a playable library of titles that is much larger than the amount of free time humans get to enjoy on this earth.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org -3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

M8, that's the wrong argument, you CANNOT do it for 400€-500€. I get that a PC is much more versatile, but as a turnkey solution, the console or steamdeck are downright unbeatable in value right now. GPUs cost stupid money and the PS5 still holds its own against a 6700XT(7700)/4060ti, plus it has resume play like the deck...

I use a PC (9070XT is a wonderful card) but I'm privileged. If I weren't, I'd be buying a PS5 or a Steamdeck. You can get used PS5 disks for 10-20€, you don't need to pay to play FTP games online and don't need internet to play your used disks. It's overall a far superior option unless your budget is above 1000€ or you have some kind of malformation that only let's you play with KBM.

The PS5+used games or a Steamdeck in case you already have a library on steam are downright the only smart money options nowadays in the EU.

If you have 1000€ to burn, then you can get a pretty good machine with AM4 and RDNA3 for a reasonable price (7800xt are going for not stupid money normally). I'd still wait for the 9060 to get FSR4 and slap bazzite on a HTPC build and call it a day.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Unbeatable in value... Ehh, really depends what you want to do with it. I don't care about consoles so I will just disregard them entirely, they don't run a normal Linux distro.

Steamdeck is great, sure. But if you were looking for low spec desktop gaming you could look at some low spec mini PCs for about half the cost of the steamdeck. You would be able to run a vast amount of games on it just fine. Old hardware might cost less used but will most likely end up costing more in power consumption.

[–] Viri4thus@feddit.org 1 points 6 days ago

If I didn't want to play on console and had a tight budget, I'd look into AMD apus or steam deck, yes, or used if that were an option in the market I were in.

My point was, for the price, you'll be hard pressed to get better perf/visuals out of a game like the guy in the article said. Surprisingly enough, consoles still deliver an impressive presentation. Even more so if Jimbo RyRy hadn't poured over 2bn in developing live service trash instead of core gaming experiences like Returnal, which is likely my game of this gen (together with BG3).

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 week ago

Just because you can spend £800 on a part doesn't mean you have to... I just want to.

[–] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

Taking an extreme example instead of one that is the norm makes it extremely obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Go back to your walled playpen and leave the rest of us to our freedom.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago

PC: keyboard & mouse, faster load times, bigger games library, MODS

Person with a financial stake in Sony: "But our graphics are only a little bit worse!"

[–] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

As someone currently playing tears of the kingdom at 4k/60fps on my couch with an Xbox elite controller complete with a mod to adjust in game promts to show xbox button: Woof woof motherfucker

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

Any time an exec talks, it's to get a market reaction.

You're best off never listening to what any of them say.

[–] kiwii4k@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago

guess i got that fuckin dog in me then

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 week ago

I mean, yeah, if you play shitty big studio games.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I honestly can see some of this guys point here and I do think the gap between PC gaming and consoles narrowing down since the past few console generations consoles aren't pushing graphics over the latest PCs and console exclusive coming to PCs.

With the steam deck, I think that gap has narrowed more now since it provides a easy and accessible price point to PC game on your TV, which may eat into the console market share.

[–] proper@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Ha. hahahaha. HAHAHAHA. haaaa.

[+] fckreddit@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

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[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

PC is a walled garden too

Somewhat disagree. Sure there's stuff that won't run on Linux but runs on Mac or win....but the list is getting shorter all the time. And then there's the wonderful world of emulation, you can add a plethora of walled gardens to your garden with a knee high wall and lots of gates.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago

In what way is PC a walled garden? The only limitations are based on technical capabilities rather than arbitrary walls.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

PC is a walled garden too

How so?

[–] fckreddit@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Also called Denuvo.

[–] null@slrpnk.net 2 points 6 days ago

How does that make PC a walled garden?

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