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What is the actual plan? (r.50501.chat)
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I understand the role of that the protests are playing but what is our actual plan? Are we aiming for flipping the house in 2026? Are we trying to target the non-MAGA Republicans and pushing them to impeace?

Haven't heard a clearly articulate plan from organizers or elected Dems and it is starting to really concern me. I get we're all angry and we're building coalitions but, I think we also need more action items and a plan.

Originally Posted By u/TigerLonely7218 At 2025-04-12 11:46:15 AM | Source

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[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I just want to point out that there's no guarantee at all there'll be free and fair elections in 2026. They're already shipping people to concentration camps.

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

This is such an important thing to focus on. He has a razor thin majority in the House and Senate. The mid-term after a presidential shift is often bad for the new president. This one is shaping up to be a bloodbath. HitlerPig cant risk losing either Chsmber, or the Dems will have control of investigative committees with subpoena and arrest powers. That would be disastrous for him.

They could try to rig it, but there's still a risk, especially with such thin margins. The better play would be to instigate violence at protests around the nation, respond with ferocious Tiananmen-style military force, then declare Martial Law, and suspend elections.

The timing has to be right. It would have to be done close enough to the election that the courts couldn't respond in time to stop it, and the Nazis would just ignore court orders amyway.

I truly belive this is the plan, and they will carry it out during next summer's protests, with Martial Law coming in October 2026.

By the way, he is contemplating paying compensation to those treasonous RedHats who were convicted for Jan6. First he pardons them, then he pays them. When he encourages them to go to their local protests, and stir up some Jan6 style violence, they'll enthusiastically respond.

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

the antidote to fascism is not going to come in the form of a singular day of resistance, no matter what people are promising online. even a worldwide general strike executed flawlessly will not upend the historical and cultural foundations that got us where we are today.

we need a living breathing nationwide MOVEMENT. movements are made of people, and today, the people who would be allies in this movement don't know anything about one another and have no practice working in unison. protest actions help us exercise our collective organizing muscles, even when there is no one specific goal to be carried out by you (an individual) specifically.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Step 1. Show that there is enough people in the U.S. that absolutely do not want what this administration is doing so the Pentagon does not allow him to put the insurrection act in place. Example, if you search 90 days insurrection act in Google here is the propoganda that comes up first

[–] stopdropandprole@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

yeah... when I first heard about the insurrection act theories, I wanted to dismiss them as conspiracy thinking.

but the more I read about it and consider what dark maga tech broligarchs (Thiel, Musk, Andressen, Horowitz particularly) are planning, we have to consider it a genuine possibility and warn people about it.

April 19th might be the last lawful opportunity to protest for a very long time (ever?). it sounds crazy to say out loud... god, I'm so sick of oligarchs ruining everything they touch. ah, to be born in simpler times, before late stage capitalism squeezed every drop of blood from our collective capacity for progress.

relevant link explaining Insurrection Act possibility: https://lemmy.ca/post/42004214

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

I’ve been advocating for people to vote out centrists in the midterm primaries. We only see ~20% attendance in congressional midterms, even less in primaries. A big push of progressives could really make a difference, and it protects us from accidentally flipping a seat red over a split vote on the left.

We currently have 75 progressives in the House, and just Bernie in the Senate: https://progressives.house.gov/

It’s important to know if you live in one of the 30 partisan primary states. If so, you must register as a Democrat to vote in the Democratic primary. It was a contributing factor in Bernie’s 2016 loss.

Check your state primary type here: https://ballotpedia.org/Primary_election_types_by_state

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 8 points 2 days ago

In my heart, I want all the billionaires and republicans ~~dead~~ removed from power.

Realistically, I'm not sure what we can get. Even if we regain control of the legislature, much damage has been done that cannot easily be repaired.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also worth noting, the detailed plan is the slort of thing that tends to get talked about over signal with your local cell, not necessarily on a public forum.

At least locally our public strategic plan is to build parallel structures of support like food banks while making all the shity things the Republicans doing to our town so obvious that we might just flip the state Blue for the first time since 1964, or at least make some solid gains at the city and county level.

At the national level, I think the long term plan is to build enough voter mass to primary the shit out of non progressive-caucus dems for 2026, counting on the general anti Trump wave that we’ve seen in Florida and Winsconson’s recent elections to carry us to a progressive caucus majority in elections that have big enough margins to be exit polling evedent.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If we're talking about elections and parties, we've already lost; we need to be talking about the the line between aspirational wealth (<$10 million) and society-crippling wealth (>$100 million) and how to keep the former from becoming the latter.

The broad strokes need to be a tax structure that is overtly hostile to anyone worth more than $100 million, which is well beyond an obscene amount of ~~money~~ stolen wages as it is.

91% tax rates. Wealth taxes. Securities taxes. Antitrust actions against their businesses. Minimum wage that scales with business size: Walmart, Amazon, and other large employers significant should be forced to pay a much higher minimum wage than small businesses, to counteract their outsized influence and control of the labor market.

It's time to stop protesting, and time to start doing.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What you said sounds great, but how do you plan on getting it without “elections and parties”?

It's time to stop protesting, and time to start doing.

If you’re talking about revolution, what’s the plan?

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

What you said sounds great, but how do you plan on getting it without “elections and parties”?

What I said was:

If we're talking about elections and parties, we've already lost;

There is currently no party that represents us. Our ideas are not on the ballot. If we are talking about elections and parties today, we are talking about the same bastards who put us where we are today. If we are talking about elections, we have already lost.

We need to be talking about ideas. The central theme is that there is no place for economic vampires in American society.

  • Billionaires need to be taxed out of existence or otherwise removed from society. It isn't their wealth that is the problem: if they want to purchase a billion dollars worth of mansions and yachts and private jets, they are going to pay a billion dollars to carpenters and shipbuilders and aviation workers. But they aren't doing that. Instead, they are buying stocks of homebuilders and shipyards and plane factories, and raking off profits that could be going to the workers.

  • Businesses should benefit society in general: a business whose workers are living below the poverty level is a business that should not exist.

  • Rank-and-file workers should be receiving stock along with their regular pay; they should be gaining ownership interest in the company they work for.

  • True, universal healthcare. Show up at any medical facility in the country, and the bill gets paid by the Department of Universal Healthcare. Medicare should not be the standard we expect. Tricare - the 100% healthcare plan provided to servicemen and their dependents - should be our model.

Things like these are the plan.

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 2 points 1 day ago

Oh, I get what you’re saying now. Step outside of parties and promote ideas and policies that everyone can get behind.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean the progressive caucus has been pushing for universal healthcare, an end to mass incarceration c and a wealth tax for decades now, but have lacked the votes to makeup a majority of Dems let alone congress as a whole.

Pushing for ideas however seems to assume that there is some correlation between how popular a policy is and its chances of becoming law, which is just at a factual level untrue in the US. Studies have found a proposal with 70% public approval and a proposal with 30% public approval have the same chance of actually becoming law.

There is some correlation between how the super rich feel about a piece of legislation and its odds of passing, but the primary statistical determinant is how congress criters themselves personally feel about a law.

As such, getting actual progressives on the ballot and getting the neoliberals off the ballot will lead to real, if not as significant as I personally would like, change that will benefit actual people’s lives, while congratulating ourselfs on all the great ideas that are never going to be adopted by people’s whoms job literally depends on how much their billion dollar donors like them will just lead to disillusionment when said great ideas are never put into practice.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but the primary statistical determinant is how congress criters themselves personally feel about a law.

The right congress critters will personally feel about these issues the same way we do. We can't get the right congress critters elected by talking about elections and parties and the issues they want to talk about. We need to keep the correct issues front and center. Force the candidates to either come to us, or lose to those who will.

This is how the Tea Party took over the GOP. It's how the Guillotine Party will take over the Democrats.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago

I mean while there are some that are actually dumb enough to believe it, most of the Tea Party republicans don’t feel the same way as their constituents, but rather that their constituents are a bunch of idots easily distracted from the ways their getting screwed over by proformitive nonsense. This is to say nothing of how most of the ideas the Far right supports are pretty damn unpopular across the board, or how tirelessly they worked to kick and pressure every candidate who wasn’t on board the Trump train out of the party.

Moreover, if we are not supporting the candidates who do agree with us and fighting to eliminate those that don’t or who actively go back on their word after being elected nothing will actually change beyond some pretty words every now and then.

Every currently serving Dem says they wholeheartedly Support the idea that the rich should be paying their fair share, just like nearly all of them support abortion or equal rights for all americans. A majority of them don’t obviously, but they sure do love to talk about supporting the abstract idea of such.

It is demonstrably trivial for canadates to say they wholeheartedly support X and then vote against it in practice without consiquence. We need to actually hold them to account, which yes, means fighting and running against them when they are chosen and not just supporting anyone who can give a platitude about how great X is.

The Idea that candidates will automatically loose if they don’t actually uphold the ideas their voters want would seem to be pretty ludicrous when places like Montana voted 58% yes to abortion and 59% to elect the man who got it taken away from them in the same election.

We are not talking about outword messaging, but rather what we actually are doing to make said ideas come to pass.