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Democratic National Committee vice chair David Hogg's plan to spend $20 million to primary older Democratic incumbents in Congress has sparked intense anger from some lawmakers.

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[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

Everyone over 60 years old should be kicked the fuck out of the party and way be made for younger people who have to actually live in the fucking world being created by them.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

They should have done this years ago. This opens the party to get republicans playing democrats to take over that party. We have seen this with at least 10 democrats constantly voting with republicans or a democrat completely switching parties during their term. Split the damn party or go home.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 212 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (5 children)

Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?

The DNC is dead to most USians, the party leadership just refuses to acknowledge it even when their candidates and strategies lose to literal outright fascists.

No, this is the bare minimum I will accept in order to not consider the DNC my enemy.

Burn it down.

Also, age isn't the problem, the problem is money and a rigid party ideology.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Where was the outrage when AIPAC dropped money bombs on progressive primaries to silence opposition against Israel and the Genocide of Palestinians?

Well when people called it out, Reddit and Lemmy said anyone who saw this was:

  • Antisemitic for not wanting murder
  • A Tankie/Russian Bot
  • Somehow wanting Trump to win by having better candidate to win against Trump
  • Sore losers who didn't like a "fair" election like Trump
  • A Bernie bro who hates $THING

If you look at the lemmy.world modlog, so many people calling out this were removed and banned, and then the userbase acted dumbfounded when the legitimate users were "quiet" after being banned, so it verified their bias of "everyone who disagrees with what my favorite political tells me is a bot/troll".

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree, I lost a huge amount of respect for the people running and moderating lemmy.world after dealing with their reactions to people simply upset that a genocide is happening.

I had an interaction with one of their mods and it was very disappointing to see them so confidently on the side of silencing voices speaking up about genocide.

Sometimes I get the feeling lemmy.world is run by a bunch of centrists who's hobby it is to undermine leftism because they are afraid of leftwing beliefs exactly the way pathetic conservatives are, and it makes it hard to take the entire community seriously.

Some of the prominent very active low effort posters like Pugjesus have absolutely trash views when you actually get into a conversation about their beliefs.

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 43 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Dem insiders just don't have the same values as their erstwhile voters

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Dem insiders are criminally corrupt scabs who are largely to blame for fascism.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 38 points 4 days ago

Hogg is 100% right and they are just whining like babies when they should be doing their effing jobs.

Even the complaints against Hogg are just virtue signaling.

No action. Ever.

They are complicit.

[–] mapmyhike@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

How can you say democrats don't do anything?

[–] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

God the 2nd pic is cringe.

[–] dukeofdummies@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

Why this is not brought up every other day whenever Schumer or Pelosi think they are out of touch, I will never know.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Bet they do more against primary challengers than they ever have or ever will against fascists.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 10 points 3 days ago

“We can’t upset the fascists! We have to think of decorum!”

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

Might as well make a bet if the sun will rise tomorrow.

If they fought against fascists like they do to progressives, Trump wouldn't have had any chance at even the nomination in 2016.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 110 points 5 days ago (2 children)

What the FUCK did they think would happen after the most catastrophic election loss in a generation? The DNC and Democratic leadership should have enough of a sense of the gravity of the situation we’re in to resign in shame. Instead they have the audacity to complain?? Seriously, understand how big of a failure you’ve been a part of and actually DO SOMETHING to help solve it.

[–] freshcow@lemmy.world 68 points 5 days ago (4 children)

This is the same Democratic party leadership that ran Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's campaigns. The same Democratic party leadership that cares more about stopping Bernie Sanders than about stopping Donald Trump. They know who's side they are on, and it's not the same side as you and me. The Democratic party is unfortunately rotten to the core, and it's all about the money. Imagine the concept of regulatory capture applied to politicians broadly and you will understand the modern Democratic party and the state of our government. We need a party built from the ground up to represent the working class, whether it be from the ashes of the Democratic party or otherwise. Primary them at every turn or run independent campaigns where feasible. The other challenge is that mainstream media is owned by the same corporate masters, so it will be an uphill battle regardless.

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[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 112 points 5 days ago

Useless old parasites upset they are being dislodged from the host.

[–] SSNs4evr@leminal.space 37 points 4 days ago (7 children)

The old moderate Democrats are not going to change...they keep trying to reach conservatives in a "middle" that keeps moving right. I'd say getting Democrats elected, then replacing them with better democrats in future elections would be the way to go, but there's something to be said for getting nowhere with the same.old.people.in.the.same.old.positions.election.after.election.and.never.gaining.a.meaningful.majoritye. Either the positions or the people need to change. Since the existing people are not willing to change their positions on the issues, people must be the next thing to change. The party needs to progress into the future, with younger, more vital blood.

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[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 40 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (10 children)

Mistake for who? Not a mistake for me, not a mistake tactically considering the policy and popularity polling, not a mistake when you consider that these people have been suppressing popular and well polling progressive policies and candidates for decades and still managed to lose the presidency and both houses to a goddamn moron…

All of this shit, all of these “reasons” they list in opposition to Hogg’s initiative, they are all bullshit. Bullshit and deflections and distractions from the fact that they are concerned exclusively about the bottom line for their wealthy benefactors, and about their own as well. The irony that is not lost on anyone is that they are the assholes who did this to us in the first place, and would you look at that, Donald Trump is about to hand them a tax cut.

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[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago (12 children)

If the dude can raise $20 million he can do whatever the fuck he wants with it. Crybaby old farts need to get with the times.

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[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 77 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I think it’s safe to say that the ancient Democrats who’ve been holding onto their seats by sheer force of incumbent political influence, contributed to turning Hogg into a school-shooting survivor. Obviously Republicans bear more responsibility thanks to their gun/violence fetish, but these Dems wouldn’t be so angry if he hadn’t touched a nerve. They’re clearly afraid of young people with new and rational ideas.

I hope these young’uns keep at it, their passion and drive is inspirational. Since the geriatrics in power clearly can’t smell their own bullshit anymore, fuck em. No one is entitled to power, you have to earn it like Hogg has through his dedicated activism. His organization has helped pass more than 250 gun safety laws, for example. He’s actually doing shit.

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[–] Zippygutterslug@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

Good fucking riddance, if they wanted their seats they should have defended our country and stood against nazis.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 72 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

If it has to be democrats instead of a new party, this is literally the only way to make it work.

Good Job David Hogg and Leaders We Deserve, hope you oust a ton of these ancient shitbirds.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

"Fighting Democrats might get likes online, but it's not what restores majorities," she added.

There are currently 2 vacant seats in Congress, which won't be filled until the fall, left empty by Democrats who died in office. We're not going to restore majorities by electing people who keep dropping dead.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 23 points 4 days ago

Let them pound sand. These geriatric bastards are incapable of adapting to the malevolence currently destroying everything. We need somebody willing to punch these conservative bastards' teeth down their throats.

[–] GroundedGator@lemmy.world 46 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Every Democrat seat should face a primary. Every year. No party funds should be spent until after the primary or all people on the ballot should get the same party stipend.

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[–] TemplaerDude@lemm.ee 45 points 4 days ago

Any other job where you fail as hard and as often as those old fossils do, you get the fucking boot. Why do they think they're entitled to their fucking seat? You fucked up and have been responsible for having the world's worst person elected twice now. Time to go.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 49 points 4 days ago (18 children)

Frankly this is a good idea in the long term despite a possible short term loss.

The Tea Party hurt the Republicans in the short term, but they took over the party and purged the liberal elements. They replaced Eric Cantor with a speaker who does everything they want. They’re a monolithic block now and have been winning out on their strategies ever since.

AOC ousted 10-term congressman Joe Crowley in a primary by a huge margin. A few more of those couldn’t hurt.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 55 points 5 days ago (33 children)

"What a disappointment from leadership. I can think of a million better things to do with twenty million dollars right now," swing-district Rep. Hillary Scholten (D-Mich.) told Axios.

"Fighting Democrats might get likes online, but it's not what restores majorities," she added.

The issue is we get majorities and then nothing gets done with depresses turnout.

We don't want to primary these old conservatives, we'd much rather them represent their constituents, but they've shown time and time again they won't.

We'd rather they get out of the way and resign, but they won't put the future of the party over their own personal power.

So fuck em.

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[–] TomMasz@lemmy.world 52 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The "intense anger" tells you this is absolutely the right thing to do.

[–] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

We've been past the fume stage for a fucking while

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 41 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let me guess - the older lawmakers who voted for some of Trump’s cabinet nominations?

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[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 35 points 4 days ago

If you were confident that you've done right by the people you represent then surely you wouldn't be threatened by challenges to your incumbency.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago

Anger because they're useless and they're being called out.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I agree with the older Dems, but not for their reasons.

No, we should not support the candidates that Hogg supports. Because Hogg is very opposed to 2A rights, and ipso facto any candidate that he supports will also be opposed to 2A rights. And if you think that we're gonna just vote our way out of this, I've got some very, very bad news for you.

Primary the old fucks with young leftists (hopefully ones that actually understand economics and tax policy)? Absolutely! Primary them with ones that ideologically aligned with Hogg? No.

[–] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Once they're primaried, people can vote for whoever is the better candidate.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I'm really tired of voting for better candidates that are in favor of reproductive rights, and LGBTQ+ rights, that want religion out of politics, that support genuinely free speech, and then also want to eliminate 2A rights. We're already seeing what 75 years of libs and progressives working to disarm themselves has done, and the result is that ICE agents aren't getting gunned down in the streets when they're kidnapping people, and the fash are free to do whatever the fuck they want with zero fear of consequences.

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