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[–] banzhaff@feddit.uk 3 points 7 hours ago

Noooooo! He had his whole life ahead of him.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 119 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I fucking hate you Vance, this is your fault!

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[–] SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Before Francis took ill in February, he criticized President Donald Trump’s mass deportation policy. 'What is built on the basis of force,' Francis warned in a letter to American bishops, 'and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly.'"

-New York Times

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 113 points 2 days ago (15 children)

Guys. Joe Biden is Catholic. The Vatican has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

I dont think another crusade is necessary just to bring Biden to justice.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They are really unlikely to support a non cleric. All the decision makers sacrificed a lot of typical life time activities to be clerics, they aren't going to lift up sometime who hasn't also made these sacrifices.

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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 412 points 2 days ago (43 children)

I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves.

In reality I'm much more worried about the likely counterreformist pushback that is likely about to happen. We're about to find out if a remarkably powerful organization's leader was able to seed enough support to secure a politically aligned successor, and if the answer is "no" a bunch of organizations are about to get even more ruthlessly conservative at a time when a new strain of fascism is seeking moral support. The Catholic Church has been here before. It didn't go well.

[–] Wildfire0Straggler3@lemm.ee 232 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"Francis appointed nearly 80% of the cardinal electors who will choose the next pope, increasing the possibility that his successor will continue his progressive policies, despite the strong pushback from traditionalists."

https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/

[–] Microw@lemm.ee 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The catch is that he did not appoint by ideology. His appointments were mainly based on the guys doing work for poor people, for migrants, and on them doing their jobs in the global south.

Quite a few of these he made cardinals are somewhat conservative in their views, especially regarding sexuality

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[–] philpo@feddit.org 109 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Yeah. It's more than annoying, especially as it's the same old Vance joke again and again and again. Which isn't even clever.

I am not a Christian by any means but I worked with them quite often. Francis did change a lot of things and while he wasn't in no way perfect - he did have his drawbacks, for a fucking pope he was much better than anyone before him within the last few hundred years. People (especially on the internet)nowadays expect other people, especially political leaders to "check all their boxes" and if one thing is not going as far as they want, they are alienated.

Often I have the impression that as long as someone is not going "all the way" in the right direction they are seen as bad as someone who does not do anything at all or goes in the wrong direction. (Which is ironic because the church itself has evolved past the "saint or sinner" directive)

Francis has been going in the right direction probably 60% of the way and 10% in the wrong direction. Is the Catholic church there yet? No. Is there a big chance it might turn back? Yes. Would he been elected if he was so reformist it was sure he would topple everything and go 100%? Surely not.

But he did much more than any of his predecessors did.

Any much more most commenters do.

Besides: It's okay to feel sorry for an old man dying. That's called fucking compassion. I work in healthcare and have seen a lot of people die. I feel sorry for almost all of them.

In the end a human has died. Period.

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[–] Dogiedog64@lemmy.world 137 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

JD Vance: "How long have you worked here?"

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 56 points 2 days ago

"Have you said Thanks, even once?"

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 day ago

Is Francis really your name? What's on your birth certificate?

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 267 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, meeting JD Vance can be too much for anyone.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 86 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We should spread the news that Vance killed him!

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 78 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Pope is recovering;

  • meets JD Vance

  • dies a couple days later....

Hmm

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Many people are asking "Did JD Vance have a hand in the Pope's death?"

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[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 27 points 1 day ago

Bring him back, take Trump instead

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Gfdi. I'm not religious, but knowing that Catholics are going to choose a new Pope, I can only look forward to more bad news of comformity to godawful world news in the form of a shitty New Pope who inspires and empowers all the shitty people.

Great, one more thing to make the world even worse.

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's some hope.... part of Francis' papacy involved him promoting more open-minded cardinals (who are the ones who choose popes) but we'll see

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[–] GoatTnder@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (5 children)

My sincere hope is that the Catholic Church looks at how they were perceived under Benedict—a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance; and how they were perceived under Francis—an actually compassionate and humble servant of the Church and its people. And based on that, they choose another Pope who's in the same vein as Francis to continue bringing the Church into this century. There is still decades of work to be done, but we absolutely can't go backwards right now.

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 58 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Looks like it's time for another pope race. I would like to throw my hat in the ring. As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who's never so much as visited a seminary, I know I'm an unorthodox choice. But maybe it's time to mix things up. My central campaign planks? We're going to bring back indulgences and try to make the Papal States a thing again. Also, expect skits and improv sessions to have a big place in Catholic mass in the future!

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The child in me kind of wishes he had passed on 4/20 Easter, but alas.

That being said, while I'm not religious I appreciate a lot (not all) of what this Pope has done. His Apostolic Exhortation on the Idolatry of Money, and the gross inequality wrought by capitalism is worth a read.

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[–] realitista@lemm.ee 160 points 2 days ago (45 children)

I'm actually sad about this one. He was by far the best pope of my lifetime.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 111 points 2 days ago (12 children)
[–] realitista@lemm.ee 89 points 2 days ago

True but he exceeded the existing bar by a lot.

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[–] merdaverse@lemmy.world 126 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's a true shame. Francis was the most "eco-socialist" pope we are going to get. Managing to offend entrenched conservatives deserves respect.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 115 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is huge, pinning it for now.

[–] 3laws@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

One would even suggest this is world news.

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[–] DioEgizio@lemm.ee 109 points 2 days ago (1 children)

JD Vance visits the Vatican, the pope literally dies

I guess he didn't say "thank you"

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[–] Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"That was because he refused to welcome god-king JD vance in person!!!! God punished the pope for his impertinence!!!!"

- Some MAGA-Nut somewhere, probably

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[–] ERROR_100_000_100@infosec.pub 49 points 2 days ago

Okay, we need to know where every US government official was.

Right after the Pope told trump to have some compassion, a very coincidental timing...

🤔

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Boy asks Pope if his atheist father is in heaven.

Humility, patience, kindness, grace, and rationality. Would that we should have more leaders like him in the future.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Any signs of plutonium poisoning?

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[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 17 points 1 day ago

He was like man this guy sucks, I don't want to live in a world where this guy has power, then dies. I feel the same dude...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 76 points 2 days ago (3 children)

let's wait a couple days and see if he comes back

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