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[–] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (2 children)

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

[–] Junkers_Klunker 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Which is exactly why she wont be a presidential candidate ever.

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[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

AOC《》Jon stewart

Bernie as whip

The dream team 😍

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 7 points 2 days ago

DNC will throw the election before putting a progressive into the race

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

Y'all know there's still house and some Senate elections coming up next year right?

You know what would show America and the Democrats (and Republicans for that matter) that Americans are finally serious about a 3rd party candidate? Supporting and electing 3rd party candidates in the House and Senate.

Ok, I try to be polite, and I generally agree you don't win arguments by saying shitty things, but whoever downvoted this is either a bad actor or has rocks for brains. I'm sorry to be so crass, but it needed to be said.

If only there were elections being held between 2025 and 2028 with less at stake than a presidential election. That way Americans on the left and right could come together and prove to the establishment parties that they would actually show up to vote for a 3rd party candidate for a presidential election.

Oh shit! I'm a total klutz and I dropped this list of states with Governor and AG elections between 2025 and 2028

OH NO! I fumbled and spilled this list of 33 of the 100 six-year term (Jan 2027-2033) Senate seats up for election on Nov 3, 2026.

Fuck, I'm such a butterfingers! There goes the list of midterm elections also on Nov 3, 2026 where representatives from all 435 congressional districts across each of the 50 U.S. states, as well as five of the six non-voting delegates from the District of Columbia and the inhabited U.S. territories will be chosen.

It would be such a shame if angry Americans used this information to get involved in local politics and promoted ethical candidates who weren't purchased by a corporation ASAP

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[–] jaykrown@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This is why the primary will be so important, and why Biden basically handed the win to Trump by pushing Harris instead of having a primary.

[–] nexguy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It shouldn't have mattered who the candidate was. When the opponent is an authoritarian bigot intentionally harming minorities you do whatever it takes in the moment to triage the situation and prevent generational destruction. Then you march/riot...etc and demand change from whoever the Dem president is. I blame the absent voters for ignoring the bleeding patient from the drunk driver accident and instead standing to the side demanding no more drunk drivers.

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Maybe, but the only way I can believe that is if we believe Biden was a far better candidate that Harris. Biden mopped the floor in the Democrats primaries everywhere they were held. Florida and Delaware were the only states that didn't hold them if I remember, and Biden had something like 87% of the votes for Democrats. We say they meaningless, but the last time the Democrats were in the same position was 2012 voting in an incumbent. Obama got 2/3rds the votes that Biden did. 8 million, vs the 12 million votes for Biden.

The delegates could have flipped when Biden left but didn't. Its a much higher likelyhood that there the issue was more people were not willing to vote for her for being a woman or being black. If people think that 1-2% of the voters aren't racist or sexist in Georgia, Michigan etc they are off their rocker. A 1-2% moved from Democrat to Republican vote was enough to lose states like that.

So if Biden had not run at all, and sent it to Primaries, would that percentage have been enough to get her not to win the primary? I kind of doubt it.

[–] Tail11@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gavin Newsom may sound smart, but he's got his hands in your pockets stealing your money to feed the rich, kinda like the current emperor in chief.

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[–] turnip@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

I love the hate the DNC gets now. I'm also confused how the DNC's mandate isnt to be entirely apolticial.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Can we do ranked choice primaries?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

That would solve a lot of problems, so ... no.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The DNC would rather acquiesce power to Republicans than risk handing it to an anti-corporate candidate so... No.

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[–] FlapJackFlapper@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm a progressive, but also a pragmatist and a realist, and I find these kind of complaints unhelpful and naive. Politics is a blood sport and it always has been. No one is going to hand AOC the reins of power. She has to win them, and her opponents aren't going to play fair. This is, sadly, how the game is played. Don't mourn. Organize!

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[–] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sadly, you are correct. Neither Kamala nor Gavin can win. But I'd prefer Kamala to Gavin, which is how bad Gavin is.

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[–] alekwithak@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

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[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (10 children)

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 16 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I've been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the "tea party style takeover" that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

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[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (5 children)

We all like AOC here on Lemmy, but are enough of the old ass "liberals" going to join us so she can actually get elected? Seems highly unlikely to be honest.

I'd love to see it happen though. That's what primaries are for. The Dems should try one of those. It's been a while.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 6 points 2 days ago

Bernie and AOC seem to be hoovering up the MSNBC liberal boomer demographic at this point because that demo has finally snapped and the dems leadership is completely absent.

That, however, probably won't translate into a progressive/socialist candidate winning the next presidential primary. They might have a stronger showing but dem leadership will move to protect their donors and stifle that candidate.

[–] Washedupcynic@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm 45. Am I old enough to be an old ass liberal? I love AOC and I hope she succeeds.

[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm talking 70's, 80's, and up. I'm also in my 40s.

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[–] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 36 points 3 days ago (15 children)

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

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[–] dryfter@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The system was already rigged, of course. Electoral college, absentee cancelations, felons disqualified. It was broken before so even if things stayed the same (which they won't) it'll still be broken.

I do expect elections to continue. Just much less honestly.

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[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

[–] Battle_Maiden@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

No, we voted for Bernie. He won the primary and for some reason Hilary was the candidate. That was the beginning of the end. We didn’t vote for Harris to be our candidate either. THAT is how Trump wins. The majority did not want trump either time he ran for president, but the DNC made sure he won by putting in their least popular candidate. It’s a dog and pony show. Both sides are working for the same people.

[–] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago

I'm talking about those that voted for Trump.

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[–] The2b@lemmy.vg 70 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

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[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

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[–] splonglo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Isn't there enough bad things happening right now to complain about? This is a totally imaginary scenario that is years away and you're all ruining your day a little bit more by engaging with it.

WHY?

It is totally wasted energy. Total waste of time. Counter productive to your political goals. Encouraging a culture of fixating on problems you have no idea how to solve. Bonding over helplessness and apathy.

You know a lot of canvasers are thinking about ditching the dems and going independant? You could encourage them, you could become one of them, you could help give them arguments and counter narratives, make memes, shitpost for a good cause, post in mixed comment sections where half the people hate you and fish for an even mix of upvotes to downvotes - that's how you know you're reaching people! Take a little pleasure in becoming unbotherable.

Also, counter narratives are great because you don't have to substantiate anything. ' ICE is deporting random innocent people to fill quotas ' - your move, rightoids, I spent five seconds writing that and one braincell. Zero effort and they might end up spending 100x the effort countering it. God knows I've been on the other side of that. It's a brilliant rhetorical tactic.

You don't even have to keep arguing, you can just post 'sounds dumb' or 'bad argument' or nothing at all and just leave!

Bots wouldn't exist if posting comments on the internet didn't do anything. And even doing nothing is better than perpetuating misery-posting culture in the online left.

Tony Benn said that the job of the left is to 1) anger people and 2) inspire hope. We need to get a lot better at the second one.

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Just to clarify, I also hate the Dems lmao

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