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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/37857048

chore: set default instance to lemmy.zip, remove lemm.ee

Thank you for all your work!

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[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Congrats to @Demigodrick@lemmy.zip, seems like the transparency and the great monthly reports (https://lemmy.zip/post/39959863) paid back!

[–] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 week ago

You deserve it, one of the best instances [and admins] by far.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 52 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Still waitin for lemmy.7z or lemmy.tar

[–] julian@community.nodebb.org 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

pineapplelover@lemm.ee you can only access by entering a semantically correct invocation of tar as run on a POSIX box from 1978.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bit shit for UK users though since lemmy.zip is blocked for them. Not exactly going to encourage new users from here.

[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Lemmy.zip is blocked on a national level for the UK?

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

that is okay feddit.uk is blocked by my default blocklist on the router. I've started to add it to the white list a few times but no I think I'll let fate sort it out.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 76 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

Wow. Thanks for sharing.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

this is your brain on it being ok for governments to regulate the Internet :(

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not sure that the answer to a government's regulation of the Internet should be an individual's blocking of access for an entire country. Seems like 2 sides of the same coin to me.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is them, to the best of their ability, complying with UK law. If more people tried to comply, perhaps the UK government would realize how foolish their Online Safety Act is and do something about it.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It’s not actually complying with UK law, it’s removing it from the equation so it doesn’t have to. I don’t begrudge the decision though, it will have been a difficult choice to make. That said, it’s a sledgehammer approach to self-censorship, as a response to an inability to comply.

Like I say, I don’t have an issue with Lemmy.zip being unavailable in the UK. But I do think it is potentially damaging for Fediverse uptake to promote a default instance that is unavailable to such a large number of users.

For comparison purposes, the UK easily has the second highest number of Reddit users by country. It is a remarkable decision to exclude that potential market by default.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the UK potential new joiners register on feddit.uk anyway?

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45919699/19198390

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Speculatively, but it would assume prior research, which many people simply won’t do. If a de-facto app (say Voyager on iOS) offers a default option that’s unavailable for a selection of its potential users, it’s another hurdle within onboarding that is already the biggest barrier to entry. If we want to grow as a platform (more users equals more content), putting up a default wall saying “your kind aren’t welcome” to entire countries seems obtuse.

Yes, those potential new UK users can get around it by picking another instance, but the question is how many will give up if they can’t get over the first hurdle.

The suggestion of changing the default instance by region, where those instances prohibit specific regions seems logical enough to me.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which instance would you use instead of lemmy.zip?

From another post

  • Lemmy.world is too big
  • sh.itjust.works names contains "shit", which can deter users
  • lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric
  • feddit.org, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too
  • dbzer0 federates hexbear
  • programming.dev is topic-centric
  • blahaj is queer-focused
  • discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name
  • lemmy.sdf.org does not defederate anyone
  • beehaw defederates LW and SJW
  • infosec.pub is topic-centric
  • aussie.zone is country-centric
  • midwest.social is region-centric

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37336391?scrollToComments=true

https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active_month

There's a reason lemm.ee was the previous default instance.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Haha don't put it on me, I'm merely a consumer!

You've already suggested feddit.uk, why not use that for UK Voyager installs? Anything that isn't an instance that they can't actually use would be good.

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I was trying to show that it's easier said than done.

Same for the region choice, we all learned that Lemm.ee was closing 24 hours ago. The Voyager dev made the best choice with the small timeframe, he'll probably revisit down the line.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, and that's fair enough. I hope it does get revisited.

[–] mbirth@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s not lemmy.zip that’s blocked in the UK, they (lemmy.zip) block every visitor from the UK as they don’t want to get in trouble for violating the UK’s Online Safety Act.

[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Have lemmy.zip defederated from feddit.uk as well? If not, why not? Is there a legal difference?

[–] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

There is no need for us to defederate, the law is around accessing a specific website and the onligations to ensure the content on that website doesnt fall under the OSA.

It doesn't matter where that content comes from, just that UK users don't see specific content. Therefore we don't show UK users any content.

That's kind of a simplified summary, but hopefully makes sense.

It only impacts lemmy.zip because I am a UK resident and run the site, so am liable under the act. Otherwise I'd do what everyone else has done and ignore it.

[–] khorovodoved@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't feddit.uk itself be categorized as a UK user for this purpose?

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago

At the moment, it's seen more like using a proxy or VPN. UK users connect to fuk outside of the UK, then the messages are relayed to zip. Fuk is UK focussed, so tries to work with the OSA.
The best analogy is using a UK-focussed email service (wherever it's actually hosted) to email a non-UK address.

[–] gressen@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They should direct their concerns to the source of the issue - the ones that put UK in this predicament.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Realistically that is never going to happen. The biggest issue the fediverse has is onboarding. People just looking to try out a reddit alternative aren't going to bother emailing their fucking MP just because the default settings of an app won't let them sign up. They'll just give up and go elsewhere.

If we want to encourage growth, adding additional barriers isn't the way to do it.

[–] Demigodrick@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I fully agree with you - I'm legally liable though under the act and am not risking fines.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah I don't blame you either. But I do think the default server should be more inclusive than less, particularly at the potential starting point of a user's introduction to the fediverse.

[–] aeharding@vger.social 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I could see that argument, but I also wanted to pick the best instance for most people, not necessarily an instance that works in every country with every shitty law. We're all volunteers here.

And I might change in the future, or create a way for the app to chose a fallback default instance for a better user experience.

[–] Quicky@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yep, a region check that sets an alternative default for countries that are blocked by the default server makes way more sense than the default being inaccessible for them.

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 3 points 1 week ago

A region check might be a good way to handle it and load balance at the same time. Pushing people to a larger variety of instances while also making it easy on them. The down side is certainly the overhead of vetting and maintaining the list.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It would be nice if it wasn't onto the zip domain.

I'd always be terrified to get a surprise zip bomb auto downloading

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Which instance would you use instead of lemmy.zip?

From another post

Lemmy.world is too big  
sh.itjust.works names contains "shit", which can deter users  
lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric  
feddit.org, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too  
dbzer0 is topic focused  
programming.dev is topic-centric  
blahaj is queer-focused  
discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name  
lemmy.sdf.org does not defederate anyone  
beehaw defederates LW and SJW  
infosec.pub is topic-centric  
aussie.zone is country-centric  
midwest.social is region-centric  

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37336391?scrollToComments=true

https://lemmyverse.net/?order=active_month

There's a reason lemm.ee was the previous default instance.

[–] khorovodoved@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

dbzer0 federates hexbear

lemm.ee and lemmy.zip also federate hexbear.

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Edited as db0 is openly anarchist, probably not the best fit for everyone.

[–] dditty@lemm.ee 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sounds like db0 will be where I migrate to then, TY Blaze!

[–] sga@lemmings.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

lemmings.world or pifed.social both are general purpose, and relatively small

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Voyager doesn't support Piefed at the moment

[–] sga@lemmings.world 1 points 5 days ago

that explains it

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Maybe Cafe? Honestly I don't think they should have default option

[–] Blaze@piefed.social 5 points 6 days ago

Lemmy.cafe had an issue with pictures not loading properly from 22nd of November to 16 of January: https://lemmy.cafe/post/9986198

And yes, you probably wont' be able to see it without being logged in

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Ok, but why did they do this and why is it good?

[–] squirrel@discuss.tchncs.de 25 points 1 week ago

Lemm.ee is shutting down at the end of the month.

[–] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemm.ee is shutting down, so they had to change. Lemmy.zip is the best choice

[–] Sc00ter@lemm.ee 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Been trying to figure out where to migrate. This is the biggest endorsement that I should shift to .zip

[–] greybeard@feddit.online 5 points 1 week ago

I had the same problem with lemmy.one shutting down. I've been exploring around and am currently trying feddit.online, because it isn't lemmy based. So far I'm liking it, but Piefed just got a proper API for apps and the first app launched yesterday, so we'll see how it goes.