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The thing about the Reichstag fire is that Hitler was going to do that shit eventually no matter what.
The only violent group at a protest is the Police. So forward all complaints to the people heavy armed in riot gear who are going around shooting at journalists.
Which is crazy, you’d think people seeing this would fight back
Hearing the LEO parrots quack on about, "oh, the protesters are interfering with lawful action," is so tiring.
Show one valid warrant signed by a judge, I dare them. Trolling Home Depot parking lots and restaurants is called stalking. Abduction and kidnapping is called abduction and kidnapping. All are unlawful crimes in a country that allegedly is "lawful."
LA is doing a great job of keeping everything calm. There was no reason to send the National Guard and now the Marines. Trump knows he looks like an idiot and is going to try and speed up the dictatorship early. Let's not give him a reason to look like he's doing anything and continue to be calm. Republicans, you're in on this or I would hear something from you. You r's better start speaking up mf's.
Right? It's the cops with the guns and the gas canisters, not the protestors.
And the protests are well into the thousands, yet only a few dozen arrests, and no reports of serious police injuries or death (if anything like that had happened, news everywhere would have been plastered wall-to-wall with that story). On the other hand, plenty of reports of protestors and media being harmed by police weapons. That is less violence and injury than after a major sports game.
Republicans, you’re in on this or I would hear something from you.
Always has been.
The cons hate America, hate freedom, and hate the Constitution. Always have.
Yeah, nobody's been hurt except by the cops. Some waymos and cop cars got burned; that's what they call Monday in LA.
those that make peaceful protest impossible...
So if protests can’t be violent, and the authoritarian regime mows down the non-violent, how EXACTLY are we supposed to actually win this?
We're not? One of our parties may be significantly less sadistic, but they both exist to lock the American people into a life of servitude for the rich. Our votes won't get us out of fascism, they'll only let us choose 4 years of "good cop" or "bad cop." We'll have to actually be okay with making our overlords mad at us in order to escape, and that includes the media; if the news is on your side, you can be sure the rich people who own it aren't sufficiently concerned.
I'm going to steal your "good cop bad cop" analogy because it's perfect and I'm tired of making references to the situation being like a scripted WWE match.
I think a really good lesson comes from the documentary "Winter on Fire" about the 2014 Maidan protests. The tl;Dr is that the protestors organized a peaceful march, and the police set up a sniper corridor and started mowing people down indiscriminately. They shot people who ran out with stretchers to carry the people who'd been shot. That night, the protestors regrouped and announced their plans to march again tomorrow, and to do so armed, all 90,000 of them. Like a Christmas fucking miracle, the cops found somewhere else to be the next day, and nobody got shot.
While definitely not the same level of violence of that, during the protests in 2020, I never saw the police riot and assault the group when there were armed civilian guards. Even five or so out 100+ people was enough to give the cops pause.
A very important disctinction about the Maidan protests and riots, was there was effectively Two different law enforcement groups on the scene in Kyiv. The black uniforms, and the blue uniforms.
The Internal Troops, who were basically local police who were mobilized for riot duty. acting on the orders of the local regional government, They wore Black.
and the Berkut. who were a militarized police force that was acting as lawgivers on the orders of the President, The Ukrainian President Yanukovitch was a puppet of Putin, and he had his own group of militarized thugs that were used as a personal regime security service, they wore Blue. Berkut was the ones that were largely responsible for dissapearing and murdering people.
Russia still has various forms of this internal security today, their whole job is basically protect the regime from the inside. meaning they exist to terrorize people who are affiliated with the army and regular police, incase they get any funny ideas about revolting.
Anyway, after the Rada (Ukrainian elected officials) Impeached and removed Yankukovitch for Treason, an important note to all those Russian shills who allege it was a coup, Yanukovitch'es own cabinet impeached him... anyway, after he was gone, the interim government disbanded and fired the Berkut unit for their brutality against the people of Ukraine.
This story doesnt have a happy ending though, Russia offered them asylum. and the vast majority of Berkut members left the country and swore allegiance to Russia. So they fled first to Crimea, and then filtered out into Russia after it was formally annexed.
Whats happening in America, Started in Ukraine, this is a decade long battle against an organized crime syndicate thats taken control of multiple national governments. Its all connected.
Man, Schiff is such a fucking limpdick. Sometimes, violence is the answer. Otherwise, we’d all be speaking German and Japanese.
Don’t believe the doubters: protest still has power
Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change.
There are, of course, many ethical reasons to use nonviolent strategies. But compelling research by Erica Chenoweth, a political scientist at Harvard University, confirms that civil disobedience is not only the moral choice; it is also the most powerful way of shaping world politics – by a long way.
Looking at hundreds of campaigns over the last century, Chenoweth found that nonviolent campaigns are twice as likely to achieve their goals as violent campaigns. And although the exact dynamics will depend on many factors, she has shown it takes around 3.5% of the population actively participating in the protests to ensure serious political change.
Working with Maria Stephan, a researcher at the ICNC, Chenoweth performed an extensive review of the literature on civil resistance and social movements from 1900 to 2006 – a data set then corroborated with other experts in the field. They primarily considered attempts to bring about regime change. A movement was considered a success if it fully achieved its goals both within a year of its peak engagement and as a direct result of its activities. A regime change resulting from foreign military intervention would not be considered a success, for instance. A campaign was considered violent, meanwhile, if it involved bombings, kidnappings, the destruction of infrastructure – or any other physical harm to people or property.
I’m not saying protest doesn’t have power. But the power of nonviolent protest diminishes sharply if there’s no implicit threat of violent protest if matters get pushed too far. One of the primary reasons MLK succeeded was because Malcom X was waiting in the wings.
Nonviolent protest against a status quo ante is one thing; nonviolent protest against an aggressively authoritarian regime that’s grabbing more power by the day is quite another. It is a very, very different context.
As an additional point to add to yours, every single political protest movement in history has included violent elements. It's unavoidable. When these political "moderates" start pearl clutching about some windows being broken or whatever it is an attempt to de-legitimize the entire movement, and draw the focus away from the actual source of the majority of violence, the cops (including ICE).
I feel like we're all saying the same thing: if you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable. It's not about what's right or wrong, or what the public should or should not do; it's about which of those two options Trump himself has decided we're doing. And he has chosen....poorly.
A very big portion of How to Blow Up a Pipeline by Andreas Malm criticizes this study and how it ignores the more violent and property-destroying aspects of the movements it studied.
As Malm describes, the radical flank effect is a well-documented phenomenon in which the presence of a more militant faction in a social movement makes the authorities much more likely to compromise with the moderate elements.
I suggest you read the book if you haven't already.
Daily reminder that the media of the time did not hail King as the paragon of non-violence as we do today. The rhetoric were that his protests were violent and disruptive, and that they ought to be stopped. It was only after he was successful that all that rhetoric was blown away and retroactively painted with the brush of acceptance and approval.
Also worth noting that in the 2014 Maidan protests, one of the only times nobody got hurt was when the group announced an armed peaceful march and the cops made themselves scarce.
I think the government has learned a lot about suppression of protests in the last 20 years.
Find (or create) an excuse to call the protest violent, apply less-than-lethal weapons liberally, and subvert the message of the protest to turn the public against it.
Don't do anything and therefore agree with authoritarianism. Protest and therefore justify authoritarianism.
They are just beging for someone to hurt them. According to their own logic.
Because it justifies their escalation, this aint LA's first rodeo, they can handle this. I would not suprise me if there are more feds than protesters in some areas. Hopefully this simmers down and we get some good drone photos that show the crowd ratios and make the feds look like fools.
Kidnap vans need functioning tires, just sayin.
Caltrops pop them very easily
Big chungus
Apparently, rawlplugs make for better caltrops than simple nails. The hollow tube permits air, which keeps the caltrop from getting plugged into the tire.
Now, the question is how to get the plugs to stick together. Maybe wrap them with Play-doh? It isn't like they have to last for more than one tire, long as they get the job done.
There is a reason that a country is not supposed to use its own army against its own citizens.
The national guard is not needed or wanted in CA. The governor of CA did not ask for you, and CA does NOT want you to be here.
It should be completely legal to shoot cops with rubber bullets whenever you feel like it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
The Regime, and yes, its the Regime from now on, is only following the blueprint from its Russian Mafia Masters.
Over there, Protesting is just disorderly, its viewed as immature and irresponsible. You dont go out in the street and yell at the government for your problems,
you are supposed to calmly write a letter or other appeal to the ~~Tsar~~ President and ask them to personally intervene, and go after the middle managers at the factory , or the foreign traders ripping you off or whoever is really responsible for your trouble
I know this is quite easy to say from the comfort of my couch in Europe, but guys you need to shoot this fucker in the face already.
The people crazy enough to do something like that are the ones that voted for him. The guy that got his ear was a republican.
I hope these protests continue indefinitely.
I hope more and more and more people join these protests. Enough so, where the economy is drastically affected each and every day.
More people protesting = less people working = less money for the states = less money for the federal government.
We can stand our ground, defend ourselves physically, as well as hurt the economy financially.
In other words, I’m wanting a little bit of anarchy. Just the tip.
Why we should scruple to call such a set of people a mob, I can't conceive, unless the name is too respectable for them. The sun is not about to stand still or go out, nor the rivers to dry up because there was a mob in Boston on the 5th of March that attacked a party of soldiers.
He used this argument to defend the British soldiers in court, because justice demands due process for everyone. Even the enemy.
The Boston Massacre was:
The day that laid the foundation of Independence.
It doesn’t matter what they say. As long as they’re congregating and throwing rocks, Trump can say “see I told you” and all his fans will believe him and agree. Whatever they choose to do is fuelling his ascension to dictatorship.
Whatever they choose to do is fuelling his ascension to dictatorship.
Which means the only strategy left (besides capitulation) is to play their game and beat them at it.